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Nerfing ships everyone loves to fly
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Leeloo Vacarian
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-05-07 12:41:37 UTC
Hey Pilots,

even though I know you will insult me now, but honestly... for me EvE is just about fun and epicness. I dont fly ships because they are OP or simply the optimal solution for a certain task, I fly them because I can relate to them.

I do know that it would make me an easy bait in PvP as I dont allways use the optimal configuration for a ship regarding its bonuses but otherwise it males me pretty unpredictable. And nothing is feared more then something totaly unpredictable. I dont want a hangar full of ships I dont like but serve the porpose.

I never would fly Minmatar ships. Not because I have not the right skills or the ships got nerfed, but I am Amarr and for the Empress sake, I would never fly in a Slave Pod Blink

I would love to see pilots follow their hears, not the stats.

So... but some LAZOORS on the Raven Big smile
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-05-07 18:19:30 UTC
Leeloo Vacarian wrote:
So... but some LAZOORS on the Raven Big smile


I think that the typhoon's better for lasers...
[Typhoon, Tachyphoon]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II

100MN Afterburner II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde II x4
Hobgoblin II x5
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-05-07 18:32:33 UTC
Shereza wrote:
Leeloo Vacarian wrote:
So... but some LAZOORS on the Raven Big smile


I think that the typhoon's better for lasers...
[Typhoon, Tachyphoon]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II

100MN Afterburner II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde II x4
Hobgoblin II x5

you are doing it all wrong
different crystal for each laser or how do you make rainbows?:O
Noisrevbus
#44 - 2013-05-07 18:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
Lady Naween wrote:
They answered this many times.

to avoid power creep.


Lol Lol.

Nothing against you mate, or your reasons for putting it like that. I understand what you meant when putting it out there. It's just funny seeing the comment given recent events since power creep seems to be the new mantra. Almost every recent change has been a power creep (let's make better "HACs" than HACs, let's make AF better and then Frigs better than AF so we need to creep AF again and let's round that off with Cruisers and BC.

To answer the OP: it's irrelevant wether they nerf or buff things, it's two sides of the same coin and it's only the blind hawing cattle that would make a distinction between the two claiming it strains your psyche more to see your darlings nerfed than it's peers buffed. The reason anyone should either nerf or buff something is just a question of using the most effective method to do so given the situation or context. The reason you'd either buff or nerf something should be how it stands out relative an average or target value.
Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#45 - 2013-05-08 19:58:13 UTC
Fornic McKraken wrote:
Most of you are missing my point. I never said kiting AC ships were not OP. I never said there wasn't a need for balancing. I said, in order to balance the ships they should improve others rather than nerf.

Not that anyone is paying attention to this post anymore. But stupid comments like the one posted by Lallante are not productive. So people like me are the problem with games? what because you lose to them? My KB isn't even all that good. I like good fights and don't rely on ganking. I lose ships all the time because I enjoy pvp and don't really care.

Yes I may have exaggerated the potential impact of the TE nerf on some ships but I still dislike the idea of making ships worse just cause they are too good at killing. How about make the ships losing all the time better instead. There are many ways of doing that but instead of offering good ideas, many people just cried like babies. "Whaaa Whaaa, I die to AC ships, they need to be nerfed." Instead of trying to belittle me for trying to think of ways to make ships better able to fight kiting ships, how about you offer new ideas.



Yes everyone gets what you're saying. Yes it's been rebutted properly several times. The answer is power creep.

If you keep buffing everything, you end up with mudflation and even greater imbalance.

As you don't seem to get what people are saying, here's a simple example. CCP does as you say and buffs EVERYTHING else up rather than nerfing ONE thing that is broken. Yay, no one is sad because their favorite toy ate a nerf. Then you see how it effects the rest of the meta. Oh look, we buffed all BC's to bring them up to the Hurricane level. Then next week, oh but now the Harby is a bit over powered, so we'll bring everything up to that level. A series of across the board buffs later and BC's are now approaching BS class performance while being miles above that of cruisers. So, under your philosophy every ship class get's buffed to bring them back up into performance. Now, since you've just buffed 100 different things, something is bound to be out of balance and you start all over again.... Starting to get the point?

If ONE thing is overly strong, you bring ONE thing down. You do not bring everything else up to it.

And before you reply 'but minmi keep getting nerfed over and over'.... It was necessary. The term Winmitar was coined for a reason. Rusty buckets were OP for a very long time. Yes the nerf's hurt when you're use to flying ships that strong, they were always my primary as well. It's for the good of the game. Deal with it.
Ginger Barbarella
#46 - 2013-05-08 20:15:01 UTC
There's a basic fundamental to the CCP thinking here: if too many people use something, it must be broken. After all, we're all EASY BUTTON gamers, and having to actually THINK to use stuff is just plain wrong. Vaga? Broken. Tengu? Broken. Heavies? Broken (well, sorta... still people saying it was a nerf, but whatever). Hybrids were truly broken, so they fixed 'em; and still people complain about them being broken.

Play your own game. Don't waste time on the flavor of the day, or the ravings of "lolbadfit" from Battleclinic or these forums. Just fly what you want to fly, and screw those purists who DEMAND you fit one particular way (ie, all the Gnosis haters raving lately).

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Haulie Berry
#47 - 2013-05-08 20:40:12 UTC
Fornic McKraken wrote:
It seems CCP has the wrong idea of how to balance ships. When a ship or style of fighting becomes OP, they need to improve other ships and styles rather than make the ships everyone loves to fly (cough cough... Hurricane) worse. If many pilots are flying a ship because it is successful, why nerf it?



Yeah, guys. Why fix the one outlier, when instead they could fix EVERYTHING else to match the outlier? That obviously makes more sense.Roll
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-05-08 20:43:40 UTC
cause everyone wants to be a hipster

Art of Explosions
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-05-08 21:06:08 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
cause everyone wants to be a hipster


Hey, who wouldn't want to be a cute little hipster? http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff8/Marikhen/Hipsters.jpg
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