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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2013-05-08 14:27:24 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So you're fine with forcing a lot of people to pay several hundred dollars (at least) just to continue playing? But it's okay, right? Cause it's not like you have to do anything to get all the shinies you want.


They don't have to spend anything. They just need to update their windows verson to a modern one of their choice. They can stick with DX9 if they like, or if their systems can't handle modern graphics. At least that way, everyone else can have the choice to run on the higher graphics, rather than being held back by people living in the stoneage.

The way I understood it was that games which require DirectX 11 cannot run on hardware that supports only DX9, or even DX10 for that matter, even if the operating system supports DX11 and DX11 is installed.

If I'm wrong about this, please do tell me. I suppose I could "obtain" Crysis 3 to find out for myself, but I'm afraid of my laptop exploding.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#122 - 2013-05-08 14:50:29 UTC
I will not be satisfied until Eve looks like this.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2013-05-08 14:57:22 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
I will not be satisfied until Eve looks like this.


With text based PvP Big smile

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2013-05-08 14:59:11 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#125 - 2013-05-08 15:00:05 UTC
If the people who won't buy a DX9 game wouldn't stay, there would never have been a need to upgrade from 8 to 9.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2013-05-08 15:10:26 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead.

It doesn't ******* matter how cheap video cards are. I would have to buy an entirely new computer.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2013-05-08 16:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead.

It doesn't ******* matter how cheap video cards are. I would have to buy an entirely new computer.

it does ****** matter when you choose every other game in the market (i speak not about solitairs and other hand-made crap).

I hope CCP understands that 19 century is in past so they will improve the game.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2013-05-08 16:48:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead.

It doesn't ******* matter how cheap video cards are. I would have to buy an entirely new computer.



I hope you never decide to buy a laptop replacement or all in one in the future. If it does not have a PCI Express X16 slot it should not be considered.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#129 - 2013-05-08 17:13:50 UTC
AbhChallenger wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

if you cannot spend 30 USD for video card you should not waste your time in internet game. Use this resource to become more sufficient in REAL LIFE instead.

It doesn't ******* matter how cheap video cards are. I would have to buy an entirely new computer.



I hope you never decide to buy a laptop replacement or all in one in the future. If it does not have a PCI Express X16 slot it should not be considered.

and even so, some laptops can have their GPU upgraded.
Zuzmaw
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2013-05-08 20:59:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zuzmaw wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
AbhChallenger wrote:
Nvidia had DX11 hardware in 2010
AMD had DX11 hardware in 2009

It is now May 2013. It is likely to be next year before CCP would even announce a switch to DX11. (A good time with XP finally being dropped by Microsoft)

So what?

So upgrade?

It's not that difficult, welcome to the world of PC gaming, where you HAVE to upgrade every once in awhile. A GTX 560Ti, a kickass card for what it is, is $170 on Newegg.

And what am I supposed to do with this graphics card?
You seem to think I have a place to put it.

And you seem to think I care? Again, welcome to PC gaming.

Can't afford it? Move out.
Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
Perkone
Caldari State
#131 - 2013-05-08 22:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
another thing to note why they might not update to Dx11 right away if at all is not so much windows xp users Linux & Mac users would be completely cut off and forced to go out and buy windows and or vmware + windows to play the game. Sense wine does not support all of Dx 11 functions actually it supports very little. Before someone chimes in with there a small minority and they should just buy windows. Even if they represented 1 percent of the population base. 500k subs granted thats only 5000 users that's still 5000 less people playing (provided each account was unique and not secondary accounts.) If they plan on switching they should migrate to Open GL. Also mentioned if they did move to DX 11 You also cut off the entire mac player base also. These people might represent a smaller number of eve players compared to the overall numbers there actually a pretty big user base of the larger operating system market. So in effect you cut off newer people comeing into the game. A more viable path would be if there going to switch api's Go the universal route.

5000 users @ 15 a month = 75000 a month less in income.

over a year $900,000.00 Almost a million less a year
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#132 - 2013-05-08 22:36:12 UTC
Quote:
another thing to note why they might not update to Dx11 right away if at all is not so much windows xp users Linux & Mac users would be completely cut off and forced to go out and buy windows and or vmware + windows to play the game. Sense wine does not support all of Dx 11 functions actually it supports very little.


Why is that? WoW works fine under wine. It just looks better in windows with the dx11 parts.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Lazarus Hawklite
We don't pay taxes here
#133 - 2013-05-08 23:25:49 UTC
You don't have to drop dx9 to put in dx11 support. There are plenty of games out there that use both. You just can't take advantage of the dx11 features if your computer doesn't support it (obviously). One example is "Stalker: Call of Pripyat" it supports windows xp but it supports dx11 if you have the proper equipment, heck you can play it in dx8.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#134 - 2013-05-09 00:27:49 UTC
Angie Akachi wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Note: I haven't run XP for a loooong time. Too many programs I use won't run on it as it is so out of date.


Really?
What "Programs" are u talking about, that only run under Vista/Win7/Win8 or do u mean "Apps" for Win8 metro thinggy?


I'm also interested in what actual DX11 features EvE could use, except for the sleeker more faster API calls.

I guess tessellation maybe, but this also works to some degree under DX9.


Windows Vista/XP/Windows 7 have been increasingly unable to operate 'legacy' programs with each new release. Some older XP and Vista releases won't even run on Windows 7 without using Windows XP Compatibility Mode (and I'm not talking about error messages; some of them flat-out won't do anything when they're launched).

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Spurty
#135 - 2013-05-09 00:42:48 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:


Windows Vista/XP/Windows 7 have been increasingly unable to operate 'legacy' programs with each new release. Some older XP and Vista releases won't even run on Windows 7 without using Windows XP Compatibility Mode (and I'm not talking about error messages; some of them flat-out won't do anything when they're launched).


Hell, many Windows programs pre-Vista era don't run on Vista / 7 / 8 very well at all lol

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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

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Beef Hammer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2013-05-09 00:45:53 UTC
As stated several times many games offer the option to start in dx9 , 10 or 11. And they probably already ARE working on it for eve.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2013-05-09 01:19:28 UTC
Just dropping by again, to say that Valve still supports DX8 in their games. TF2 regularly has content added which has a DX8 version.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#138 - 2013-05-09 02:06:08 UTC
Guys stop with the whole blaming game ok?

CCP will update to DX11 when the time comes as it is THEIR game to see fit and handle it anyway they want. I'm sure they know what they are doing with this.

Also stop forcing people to either 'put up or shut up' when it comes to their own rigs... come on, really? Telling them to go out and buy something they can't afford (at the moment) just to play a internet spaceship game? They have reasons why they don't...

Before you ask, yes I do have a top of the line machine for gaming (the comp alone cost me over 2K) and built it myself etc etc blah blah blah and I don't mind DX9... just release the High resolution pack for now (optional download/use) and let it be until next year. There is SO much more that needs fixing before a whole new graphics updated.

just my 2 centsCool

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2013-05-09 02:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Zuzmaw wrote:
And you seem to think I care? Again, welcome to PC gaming.

Can't afford it? Move out.

I don't give a **** what you do or do not care about. Save your **** poor attitude for someone who thinks your opinions are actually worth something.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#140 - 2013-05-09 02:30:52 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zuzmaw wrote:
And you seem to think I care? Again, welcome to PC gaming.

Can't afford it? Move out.

I don't give a **** what you do or do not care about. Save your **** poor attitude for someone who thinks your opinions are actually worth something.


The real answer to your objection is that, since EVE already has DX9 support, adding an OS query that says, "hey, can I use DX11? No? OK, I'll use DX9" is easy to implement, and a common implementation.

I really strongly doubt that CCP would do a cold upgrade to DX11 only--certainly not before they had data indicating that there was nobody left who couldn't run it.

The idea that PC gamers will always automatically upgrade to high-end kit just to stay up to date, or even buy their PC solely or primarily for its ability to run games, is so five years ago. People really need to get over it: all computers come with some form of graphics acceleration in hardware now, and they're going to want to play games. Deal with it.

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