EVE General Discussion

They truly genuinely do. I run into quite a few people like that on 3rd party sites who seem to be unironically offended that an MMO isn't run along "normal" lines AND has the sheer offensive arrogance to also be rather successful as well.

See here for some excellent (or appalling, if you prefer) examples.

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I actually found it refreshing.

Reading GD everyday I keep getting the "wtf, why are you playing EVE?" feeling constantly about some folks. That thread reminds me that for every -I hate EVE but can't stop playing- types, there have to be hundreds or thousands of people who don't play. EVE succeeds by growing and surviving while still being at least fairly exclusive with good quality players for the most part.

That thread Malc link demonstrates the awful ghetto of an MMO EVE would be if CCP listened to the "EVE would get more subs if" crowd....

I could not force myself to read that entire thread. Usually I find it amusing when people insist on debating subject they have no clear understanding of, especially when presented with facts they refuse to acknowledge because they so obviously refute the point they were trying to make... but that thread was too sad to be considered funny.

Because you think that you play EVE correctly, and anyone that doesn't play like you is doing it wrong.

Sorry, but we're not all sociopaths, taking joy from ruining other peoples' day. Some us play EVE because we enjoy working with others to achieve meaningful, lasting goals that actually build things, not just destroy them.

In the post linked by the ISD, there was someone suggesting "no suicide ganking in high sec" and the common response was, "that would make CCP go bankrupt".


Now, I'm not suggesting the "no suicide ganking" as a good idea. I'm just wondering, would it really make CCP go bankrupt? Is there really that much suicide ganking? I personally have only ever been suicide ganked one time, because I was flying hundreds of millions of ISK worth of rigs around in an untanked industrial, with no scouts, on a common trade route..... I was asking for it.

Is there really SOOO much high sec ganking that the players that partake are a significant portion of the player base, and they would simply stop playing if suicide ganking was removed?

That's a good question.

Yes, some would quit because the way they prefer to play has been removed.

Far more would quit simply because of the fact that a large part of the risk, and the fun, had been removed from the game... many of them would be miners or haulers that quickly grow bored with that element of danger gone. Mining and hauling when there is an element of risk is a whole lot more exciting than mining or hauling in perfect safety, whether said person conciously realizes it or not.

Many would also quit simply because it is so counter to the basic premise of the game they signed up to play.

CCP is great at making a game that is a dangerous world where you have to be on your toes to succeed at even the most mundane and non-violent tasks.
CCP sucks at making a mining simulator that is engaging and entertaining in and of itself.

No, that's just what you hide behind. There are many many ways to play EVE "correctly". it's not about playing the game, it's about trying to figure out why people (LIKE YOU) who don't like key elements of the game continue to play a game you fundamentally dislike (or that at least contains players you fundamentally dislike).

To each his own and all that, but for me, if most people I encountered in a game were like you, or if a game I was playing was set up to be fun for someone like you, i'd just find a game I fit in to. You have to be one serious masochist to play a game filled with people you despise.

TL:DR, i jsut don't get masochism. IRL I knew a guy who could only "get off" if some chick whipped him. Like you, he always looked at me lik I was someone the odd one lol.



Then your problem is your limited black and white thinking. How many times do I have to tell you, i'm a PVE player, I explore, do incursions, cooperatively "rat" in null sec with my buddies (many times taking a financial hit because I make more ratting alone, because the NPC bounty mechanics outside of incursions is way screwed up) and such. I haven't had a pvp kill in a long time, I've never ganked anyone in high sec etc and I'm training up some industry chars to try out that aspect of the game. Most of the time I dodge pvp lol.

But this is a game about space ships with guns, and i've never ever been surprised that, in a game with space ships and guns, people flying space ships have tried to shoot me with guns. yet you seem to, and then can't understand how it's YOU who are basically out of place, not me.

Erm, yea, you kind of are lol.


Perhaps in the past i've not been clear. Let me try a simply comparison: Soccer (football to y'all forefingers, I mean "the rest of Earth" )

Soccer is a great game, one I don't enjoy watching, but I have no desire to see it changed because, well, I can always just choose to not watch soccer games.

Would soccer be easier if you could use your hands? Sure, but then it wouldn't be soccer. Would it be more exciting if you could pick up the ball, smash the goalie in the nuts and run the ball into the net to score? to me and many a North American, the answer might be "hell yea" lol.

But it wouldn't be SOCCER. We have rugby and American (gridiron) football for that, so while we might not be down with soccer, you don't see us trying to get the world to change it to something we like. We jsut watch and play the sports we like.

I'm personally like that with EVE. When i don't want EVE I play Star Trek Online where there is none of that non-consensual pvp stuff rather than wonder out loud "Gee, would EVE die without suicide ganking". The basic things about EVE (the non-consensual pvp, the player driven market, the harsh "lose all your stuff" death penalty, the single world etc, these are the CORE of EVE, take them away and you might was well be playing STO.

If you don't like the things that make a game what it is (and it's obvious that you don't), why play it Tarawa?