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Graphic Card upgrade time help

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Darth Mellor
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-05-07 15:06:52 UTC
I looking into upgrading Graphic card (well doing whole rig, but waiting for new Intel CPU) but question is

£1000 ($1500) of graphic card/s

what do you think best for a 3 screen, playing eve on full graphic (no not mining, Roids not that interesting)


Nvidia GFX Titan
Nvidia GFX 690
or
Nvidia GFX 680 SLI (and a new power supply as only have 600w bronze atm)



not a huge computer savy but know basics and would be looking at no overclocking (yet)
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#2 - 2013-05-07 15:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
Upgrade for what? All games made today are made to work mainly on 7 year old console hardware and then ported to the PC. I have a computer that is 4 years old and it still runs skyrim on the highest settings with ease. The only thing that has changed when it comes to hardware is the names of the cards to keep you buying new ones.

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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-07 15:26:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
If you have £1k to spend I'd get either the Titan OR 2 GTX 680's and Sli them.

I've heard the 690 has had driver and stability problems, I have just a single GTX 680 running my HP ZR30w with everything on max and have had no problems.

Plus the Titan is the latest and greatest.

As you are in Britian, try Scan . com

I've bought nearly all my stuff from them, and have had no problems. They even have a returns dept, I've used it myself when my ATi 5990 Black went pssopop a while ago.

Good luck.
Darth Mellor
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-05-07 16:13:09 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Upgrade for what?


Well i thought my PC has done me well for last 6 yr and due upgrade as prob be another 6 yrs till i do upgrade again.

Adela Talvanen wrote:
I've heard the 690 has had driver and stability problems


thanks, was bit wary of the GTX690 to begin with, as was near same price as Titan, So guess 690 out of the window :)
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#5 - 2013-05-07 17:44:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
1. General rule of thumb, try to stay away from SLI setups unless you go 3-way SLI instead of 2-way SLI.
EDIT: Less of a problem with high-end NVIDIA cards than with lower-end NVIDIA cards, and much less of a problem than with any ATI cards, but still "meh".
So, I guess, you could go for GTX Titan x1 for now and "upgrade" to GTX Titan x3 later on if you like spending up the wazoo for the best of the best for the time being :P
Subnote : the 690 is basically two underclocked 680s in SLI mode on a single board. Whatever problems the 690 has, a 2-way SLI setup with 680s will also have them, at least to some extent.

2. What exactly do you plan to use this ~1500 USD monstruosity setup for anyway ?
Because if you just want to game on it, it's way overkill for at least the next 3 years, probably much longer than that.
You'd be a lot better off buying new high-ish-end video cards every 2 years instead (both from a cost and overall performance satisfaction standpoint).

3. If you're waiting for the new Intel CPUs anyway, why aren't you waiting for the GTX 780 too ?
The 780 will probably be the first to come out from the 700 family, and it might come out sooner than the Haswell CPUs.
Emphasis on the MIGHT.

P.S. I would highly recommend getting a SINGLE GTX 770 when it comes out, then getting a new card 2-3 years later.
I have a single 460 since about 2.5 years ago and I'm still not really feeling the need to get a better one that much just yet.
Darth Mellor
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-05-07 18:44:49 UTC
Akita T wrote:
2. What exactly do you plan to use this ~1500 USD monstrosity setup for anyway ?


True prob bit OTT for just gaming, just been on low/mid range for ages now, would like something i don't need to find the money later and know when i get a new game i can run it without a prob, more so since some of the games coming out seam to have some real detail graphics (that and misses just slammed money in hand and told me to treat myself to new PC)

Akita T wrote:
3. If you're waiting for the new Intel CPUs anyway, why aren't you waiting for the GTX 780 too ?


Forgot the GTX 7xx, think you might be right there, least holding out till some comparisons come out, but understand and have been warned about SLI, just wanted to make sure want not just 1 persons bad experience
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-05-07 18:49:14 UTC
I will ask my roommate this evening how his 680 classified handles 3 clients at 1920x1080 on full settings

I want to say that at a single 680 and three clients, SLI would not yield any better results than just one card locked at 60 fps x 3 clients.

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AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-07 19:06:34 UTC
Just a note the GTX Titan is extremely powerful. Yet not the best value in the lineup when it comes to gaming. The value for that card is that it is more like the Telsa series of cards that are good for GPU workloads that aren't related to gaming.

The GTX 780 is looking to be a lower version of the Titan
The GTX 770 according to Tom's Hardware will be a beefed up GTX 680 with 4 gigs of ram.

Getting a bigger badder card will mean that it will last longer. However there is a point where the value of that vanishes. This is because the bigger the core (die) the less they can fit on wafer and thus failed dies eat a much larger slice of the profit. My opinion is that for a 3-5 year GPU IF the 770 is in the 4-5 hundred USD range it will be the way to go.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-07 20:35:30 UTC
I use 2 GTX 680's in SLI. Each card has 4 GB of VRAM.

I can run 3 clients at max settings with no issues at all and still get 60 FPS.

Or I can run 1 in 5670 x 1080 at 300+ FPS

These are the cards I use:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ASHQ4F0/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Powerful, quiet and can handle anything I throw at it while still remaining cool.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#10 - 2013-05-07 22:19:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Rain6638 wrote:
I will ask my roommate this evening how his 680 classified handles 3 clients at 1920x1080 on full settings

It could probably handle a lot more than just 3 clients if you only had enough screen space to actually see them all, and a beefy enough CPU to keep up with it.
Go into a massive TD factor fleet combat even in single client mode, and the CPU will most likely become the bottleneck fast at maxed settings, no matter what it is or what else you have in your machine.
Darth Mellor
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-05-07 23:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Mellor
From what i have seen the 780 is looking like a lower Titan but a 680 price tag while the 770 is pulling near same stats as 680 but with 670 price.. , which means could get a 780, liquid cool it + over clock it and still have £££ leftover for another update down the line or an another new monitor Big smileBig smile

would rather stay off the SLI for now. Well least till more stable and less stress of mining ICE Lol
AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-08 01:06:49 UTC
The 770 is getting 4gb of ram tho over the 680's 2 so it should be a pretty darn good boost. I still think with that you can invest in the best Haswell K series, cooling and get some massive overclocking headroom with a good Power Supply.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#13 - 2013-05-08 01:09:27 UTC
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OfBalance
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-08 01:33:01 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Upgrade for what? All games made today are made to work mainly on 7 year old console hardware and then ported to the PC. I have a computer that is 4 years old and it still runs skyrim on the highest settings with ease. The only thing that has changed when it comes to hardware is the names of the cards to keep you buying new ones.

Not empty quoting.
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#15 - 2013-05-08 01:49:55 UTC
Radeon.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-05-08 05:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Montevius Williams
OfBalance wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Upgrade for what? All games made today are made to work mainly on 7 year old console hardware and then ported to the PC. I have a computer that is 4 years old and it still runs skyrim on the highest settings with ease. The only thing that has changed when it comes to hardware is the names of the cards to keep you buying new ones.

Not empty quoting.



Yea I agree...Really only three reason you would want to have top of the line gaming PC or PC in general:

1. PC Enthusiast
2. Bench-marker
3. You can afford the best and want the best in performance, even if it's a minor increase in performance


Other than that, you can build a pretty powerful gaming computer for pretty cheap around 500 bucks. And I mean, powerful as in, can play pretty much any game at Max settings, though frame rates will vary.

Some games you do need top of the line, like Crysis 3. Hell, from what I hear, SLI setups have trouble running Crysis 3 at max settings, even with 680's.

Other games you need top end specs to run at max/ultra

Metro 2033
Skyrim with a ton of mods
I've heard the new Tomb Raider is pretty demanding
Witcher 2

Again, playable on any decent gaming PC, but if you want best in class, you need an uber PC to play these at max settings.


Edit: Also, if you are primarily concerned with EVE, 680, 670, 690 are all overkill.

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AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-08 10:53:54 UTC
Console games and Windows XP are holding back PC gaming today. Yet that all changes in 2014 and to be honest I believe a 770 would be a better investment over lower cards due to that. Assuming the goal is 3-5 years of use.

I found it was quite strange how much use I was getting out of my prior ATI 4770 and know there is no way I am getting that lucky again. However I am now doing 3 year CPU 1 year GPU so I can made use of the cheaper cards without fear of falling behind. (I remember playing Half Life on software mode because the computer had no onboard DirectX hardware)

Yet I agree when it comes to the GTX Titan. People get that for big benchmark builds and I am wondering why? The card gets its value if you are crunching numbers using the card (Research, or development etc..) not gaming.

So overall you need a middle ground and I believe the current generations are offering a decent solution for 3+ year builds.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#18 - 2013-05-09 11:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
AbhChallenger wrote:
Console games and Windows XP are holding back PC gaming today. Yet that all changes in 2014

Yes, it all changes in 2014, that much we can agree for sure.
Consoles, also yes, agree, sort of. At least the PS4 comes out this winter holidays, and probably also the XboX 720 (or whatever it will be called).
The thing is, the tech specs so far don't look anything like a top-of-the-line PC of today (let alone that of a top-of-the-line machine next year), they look fairly tame and mid-range.

For instance, the PS4, it's basically a next-gen A-series 8-CPU-cores ~1.8tflop GPU combo APU pus 8GB of RAM.
That's probably on par with an AMD FX 8150 alongside a Radeon HD 7850, which I would definitely call mid-range gaming material.
The upper end of the mid-range i5 CPUs that will come out in a couple of months combined with a GTX 660 or a GTX 750 when it comes out will probably be a bit better than a PS4 (at similar graphics detail levels).
It's still a major step up from the current consoles, but nowhere near a "wow"-level upgrade. I guess it's enough to bring us much better PC games soon though.

But XP, not so much anymore.
Quote:
Here is how things looked like for February 2013 on Steam, in order of biggest to smallest share:
Windows 7: 69.31 percent
Windows 8: 9.63 percent
Windows XP: 9.33 percent
Windows Vista: 5.84 percent
OS X: 3.07 percent
Linux: 2.02 percent

Already dropped below 10% usage and quickly going into near-universal obsolescence.