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[SYNE] Petition for Republic - Federation Peace

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N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2013-05-07 22:03:55 UTC
// FOR PUBLIC RELEASE - PA1 //


Tonight, in the orbit of Colelie VI, a peace that many thought secure was in one small act ruptured, and continues to haemorrhage as we speak. We can hear it, in the moans of the wounded, the cries of those now dead and the silent screams of those in the captivity of the acolytes of Sansha Kuvakei.

No act, no kind words can replace what we have lost, Chief Midular knew this better than many of us.

Whatever may have occurred at the higher levels, whoever issued the orders, we sorrowfully condemn the failure of both parties in this dispute to keep diplomacy on the agenda, and formally petition the Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation to cease any hostilities and negotiate an armistice as may be needed.

It was said by many of my own Matari brothers and sisters who witnessed todays bloodbath, but I re-iterate here, now, to both parties that this is not the path that Karin Midular would have ever wished for the cluster. With so much death, so much uncertainty and fear in this small patch of stars, we implore the Federation and Republic to remember the value of a human life, and to sit at the table of negotiation and heal this wound upon the face of peace and stability.

We ever hopefully await what comes next.

Signed
The Synenose Accord

// FOR PUBLIC RELEASE - PA1 //

**Vherokior **

Ninavask
The Synenose Accord
#2 - 2013-05-07 23:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ninavask
The Synenose Accord has released an official After Action Report of the Battle.

Battle of Colelie 115.05.07

Signed,
Ninavask Revan
CEO - Commander
The Synenose Accord

EDIT: I was informed some information in the report was falsely reported. It has been corrected.

Dr. Ninavask Revan

Colonist

Alexylva Paradox

The views above are the opinions and beliefs of Dr. Ninavask and do in no way reflect on his employeers or associates at the time of posting.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#3 - 2013-05-07 23:30:47 UTC
I will lend my signature to this petition as well.

What happened today was not necessary and it was a pointless waste of life.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Ollie Rundle
#4 - 2013-05-08 02:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ollie Rundle
Consider it signed, N'maro.

To the wider community of Federation and Republic loyalists consider this: you are being manipulated by those who style themselves your political masters.

There is no such thing as an 'extradition' obtained by force, by military or physical aggression. Such an action is known by other words: abduction, rendition. Invasion.

By contrast, extradition is an ancient diplomatic mechanism whereby one sovereign nation - in this case the Federation - surrenders a suspect or convicted criminal to another nation. It involves a process of request and due consideration and is regulated by formal treaties - contracts if you prefer - which exist between the two states.

Within these treaties there are usually agreed upon bars to extradition determining the conditions under which a nation may deny the requests of another. One of the key bars that seems to be in play here relates to jurisdiction - the suspect is a Gallente citizen and the crime took place with the Federation. This bar appears central to the Supreme Court's decision to refuse extradition. Other bars relate to the nature of the crime - in this case a political one - and the prospect of fair representation and trial within the Republic, as noted by the Supreme Court's statements.

So it's black and white, yes? Federal citizen, Federal soil. Concerns about the highly politicised nature of the murder.

No.

Within most Federal extradition agreements there also exists a concept that we know by the ancient phrase aut dedere aut judicare - the maxim that dictates one state must either "surrender or prosecute" with due process and expediency.

The Ray of Matar was shot approximately one month ago. The suspect has been in Federal custody for all of that time. There seems little doubt over his guilt or ability to stand trial and experience shows that in most investigations the time for obtaining relevant, actionable intelligence from an individual rarely exceeds 72 hours.

So the question becomes why does the Federal court and - by extension - the Senate and Presidency ignore the decree of aut dedere aut judicare. The Republic wants justice served, an entirely understandable and reasonable sentiment. The lack of a transparent and expedient judicial process is the thorn which must be removed before we can begin to heal the wound the Ray of Matar's passing has left us with.

I add to the petition then:

As a Federal citizen, I request the Supreme Court acts according to the ancient concept of aut dedere aut judicare. That it takes immediate action to either surrender or prosecute. That it does so in order to see natural justice served, international relations preserved and an end to the violence and tragedy this terrible act has sparked. And that we might see the curtain raised on whatever secrets a public trial might reveal.
Anton Duvalier
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-08 08:55:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Anton Duvalier
I cannot speak for my corporation, my CEO or my alliance, but as nothing more than a Federation citizen I endorse this petition.

After months of fighting to defend the Federation's borders, I turn around to find that my beloved country has already been gutted from the inside out. The actions of both sides feel like a betrayal, yet the betrayal of the FIO and Federal Administration stings the most. Is this what I've been fighting for? A government professes liberty yet practices fascism? An alliance that turns to bloodshed over bureaucracy?

Personally, I will refuse any order to open fire on Federal or Republic forces in this conflict, since as a citizen-soldier I am obligated to refuse any order that is illegal or treasonous. I will not actively betray my government, but neither will I take part in actions that betray the ideals that are the foundation of our law.

If enough of us say no, if enough of us refuse to take up arms against our allies, then perhaps our governments will be forced to listen to reason.

"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in this He is closest to God" - Book of Missions 42:5 (Luminaire Scripture Society Edition)

Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#6 - 2013-05-08 09:19:09 UTC
I will definitely sign this petition, a war between the Federation and Republic is a scenario neither side wants.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-05-08 09:29:34 UTC
The cost of peace seems dreadfully simple. The Minmatar just want one individual.

Is that individual's federal rights to a supposedly just trial worth more than the resources it will cost the federation to keep their allies at bay?

Will the Federation continue to ally with an entity that repeatedly violates their sovereignty in pursuit of what they think is justice?

It's a very interesting time, and the whole cluster is watching.
Donatien Lisette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-08 09:41:39 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
The cost of peace seems dreadfully simple. The Minmatar just want one individual.

Is that individual's federal rights to a supposedly just trial worth more than the resources it will cost the federation to keep their allies at bay?


The amount of demands any of the Four could make of another whilst being economically preferable to a hot-war is rather high, isn't it?

So how far should the bullying be allowed to go? Won't it only encourage further demands to be made in this fashion if the Federation yields this time?

'The cost of peace...'

Yeah, I don't like that sentiment. Not one bit. When you put it it like that, it sounds a lot like negotiating with terrorists.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-05-08 09:54:25 UTC
How many will you sacrifice for this one man, Gallente?

How many do you think the Minmatar will sacrifice to see their justice done?
Donatien Lisette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-05-08 10:01:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Donatien Lisette
Karmilla Strife wrote:
How many will you sacrifice for this one man, Gallente?

How many do you think the Minmatar will sacrifice to see their justice done?


Me? I personally don't give much of a crap about where the guy is held. If it was up to me I would have handed him over on day zero. But I'm worried about these developments. Not as a Gallentean; I'm no patriot. As a human being I'm worried, because depending on how the politicians tread now, a lot more blood could be shed.

What you're describing is extremist behavior. I think you're being illogical by condemning the victim of blackmail for not submitting to his oppressors. And before you start, no, the Gallente aren't being oppressors to the Minmatar. So far the Federation has acted in jurisdiction of it's territory.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2013-05-08 10:06:42 UTC
Yes, What I am describing is extremist behavior. I am condemning the victims of blackmail for not submitting to their oppressors.

Welcome to the Golden side of the fence. I always found some sort of connection with the Gallente. Now you've found a connection with us.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-08 12:02:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
I would like to see peace, though I can't see this "alliance" continue nor do I want to see it continue. The corrupt, backward, and braindead Republic has been violating the laws and regulations of New Eden far too often to be forgivable.

We should of seen this coming. They attacked CONCORD in Yulai for crying out loud, how could we be fooled into thinking they wouldn't be willing to attack us?

Once Karin Midular's term as Prime Minister ended, peace was removed off of the Republics to-do list. Now that she's dead, peace was added back onto the list, just with the word "destroy" in front of it.

Lets bring back peace, but not this one-sided alliance.

Signed.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#13 - 2013-05-08 14:16:07 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I would like to see peace, though I can't see this "alliance" continue nor do I want to see it continue. The corrupt, backward, and braindead Republic has been violating the laws and regulations of New Eden far too often to be forgivable.

We should of seen this coming. They attacked CONCORD in Yulai for crying out loud, how could we be fooled into thinking they wouldn't be willing to attack us?

Once Karin Midular's term as Prime Minister ended, peace was removed off of the Republics to-do list. Now that she's dead, peace was added back onto the list, just with the word "destroy" in front of it.

Lets bring back peace, but not this one-sided alliance.

Signed.


Cries for peace while making thinly-veiled calls for action against the Republic.

Who'd have thought, eh?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Donatien Lisette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-08 14:21:45 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

Cries for peace while making thinly-veiled calls for action against the Republic.

Who'd have thought, eh?


Don't mind him.

We're not all like that, honest.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-08 15:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Ava Starfire wrote:


Cries for peace while making thinly-veiled calls for action against the Republic.

Who'd have thought, eh?


This may come as a surprise to you, but it is possible to take action without resorting to violence and thus, maintaining peace.

We could disband the alliance, cut off all aid, commence a trade embargo, put forward economic sanctions. There is a lot we could do without even firing a shot.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#16 - 2013-05-08 16:04:26 UTC
You know, it's times like this that make me ashamed that I maintain my Federal citizenship.

Fred you're a hypocritical bigot. You speak from both sides of your mouth. On the one hand you call for peace and understanding yet, at the same time make disparaging racist remarks against all Matari. So much for all those high-minded ideals enshrined in the Federal Constitution, eh?

You've recently begun making a living as an entertainer; a supposed rational party who lampoons all those guilty of warmongering, intolerance and injustice. I suggest that you take a long hard look at your own words and actions and consider satirizing yourself.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-05-08 18:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolas Merovech
Karmilla Strife wrote:
How many will you sacrifice for this one man, Gallente?


About as many as the Republic is willing to, it seems. I understand, probably better than any other Gallente, what a Ray of Matar means for the Matari people. However, it is important to recognize that it is a symbol, nothing more. Remove the symbol from the equation and this whole dispute is revealed for what it is: stupid, disrespectful (of the shooters victims) and destructive.

Conflict between the the Federation and the Republic will destabilize the entire galaxy; it must be avoided at all costs, even pride.

Consider this my signature.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-05-08 18:32:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Gratitude is an ill-fitting garment. One that the Republic has, perhaps, been wearing for too long.

Perhaps it would be best for both sides if the aid was cut off and the relationship between the two parties of the Minmatar/Gallente alliance returned to a quid pro quo basis. The absolute worst move at present is to treat the Minmatar as if the aid you're giving them means you have any right at all to dictate policy or treat them as a client race.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Ollie Rundle
#19 - 2013-05-09 00:27:38 UTC
Re: Kamilla, Donatien, Ava, Fredfredbug4, Annabella, Nicolas and Pieter.

While I understand each of the positions you take and respect the dedication and passion with which each of you debate them I'd remind you that this stream is a petition for the rapid and peaceful resolution of the current tensions between the Republic and the Federation.

Please try to forego attempts at propaganda, backhanded compliments and personal attacks that already have their place in so many other streams currently appearing in the IGS. If you do post here, try to focus on simply answering the request to sign the petition - either in the affirmative or negative - and if you wish to include your reasons for doing so.

Your reciprocal respect for the intent of this stream is much appreciated.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#20 - 2013-05-09 00:44:08 UTC
DSTON supports this and all efforts to generate peaceful resolve to the conflict now embroiling the Republic and the Federation. Garments of peace must replace the armor of war and this is true most of all in the words that each side speaks to the other. Peace begins with the careful and self-controlled choice of words.

Seek to heal your enemy with your words and you may find that the balm you spread brings your own healing as well.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

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