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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2013-05-08 03:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Does improving visual quality require switching to a version of DirectX that a significant number of players are unable to run?
If not, then CCP isn't at the point where this is actually a serious issue.

Right now all you people are really saying is that you're upset you don't have tessellation because your ultra powerful gaming computer automatically entitles you and you want everyone who can't run DX11 to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars upgrading their machines or buying new ones just so you can have it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Shaun Klaroh
Th3 Darp Legion
#82 - 2013-05-08 03:32:23 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Does improving visual quality require switching to a version of DirectX that a significant number of players are unable to run?
If not, then CCP isn't at the point where this is actually a serious issue.

Right now all you people are really saying is that you're upset you don't have tessellation because your ultra powerful gaming computer automatically entitles you and you want everyone who can't run DX11 to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars upgrading their machines or buying new ones just so you can have it.


I see some generalization that indicates this dude hasn't actually READ this thread, at least.. not the past couple of pages.
Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-05-08 03:34:05 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
I would suggest slowly trying to upgrade now so that you don't have to be so sour in threads talking about and speculating about Direct X 11.

I would, if my graphics card weren't soldered directly to the motherboard.


Well, you're going to have to upgrade or get a new computer sometime.

or are you saying CCP should never improve the eve client so you can use the same pc for eve forever?
Shaun Klaroh
Th3 Darp Legion
#84 - 2013-05-08 03:34:36 UTC
Sobach wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
I would suggest slowly trying to upgrade now so that you don't have to be so sour in threads talking about and speculating about Direct X 11.

I would, if my graphics card weren't soldered directly to the motherboard.


Well, you're going to have to upgrade or get a new computer sometime.

or are you saying CCP should never improve the eve client so you can use the same pc for eve forever?


Same complaint with Premium client.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#85 - 2013-05-08 03:43:45 UTC
If CCP does decide to make the switch it needs to be at a time after Microsoft has stopped supporting XP. Obviously the bigger issue here is people playing EVE on XP machines. Asking a game company to make an advancement into the present to support a portion of its customer base is rubbish. If there were only 5% of eve players playing on XPs it still is stupid.

The smarter option here is to wait until April 2014, at this point XP will not be supported anymore. Once XP users sees this, they will have no choice but to upgrade at that point. Then we can all step into DX11 together. Until then, the playerbase is too widespread over modern and antiquated OSes to make a switch.

While I agree players need to upgrade and stay with the tech curve, if there is point on the near horizon in which they cant feasibly use their tech anymore outside of the game, THEN we can talk about switching. Until such a time, I think its rather an insult to tell a person to upgrade a computer to play a game just because someone else wants better performance. Thats a bit like me saying, "hey! Your 69 Mustang can no longer be driven on the roads, why? Because I said its old." XP is outdated but it still has uses. Until April '14 we should stick with DX9.

Also, no I don't use XP I recently upgraded to win 7. I like to stay one OS behind the curve simply because it takes that long for them to work out issues with it. By the way, win 8 freaking blows.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#86 - 2013-05-08 04:46:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Does improving visual quality require switching to a version of DirectX that a significant number of players are unable to run?
If not, then CCP isn't at the point where this is actually a serious issue.

Right now all you people are really saying is that you're upset you don't have tessellation because your ultra powerful gaming computer automatically entitles you and you want everyone who can't run DX11 to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars upgrading their machines or buying new ones just so you can have it.


My 18 month old rig cost <$500 then, <$300 now. While I see and understand the point you are trying to make, you are exaggerating it.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#87 - 2013-05-08 06:10:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Stan'din
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Stan'din wrote:
and you are the reason the rest of us who have invested time and money building or buying our rigs so we can play games on constant 60fps with beautiful visuals have to suffer below par standards.

I didn't force you to invest your time and money. That was your choice. If you knew the state of graphics in EVE and upgraded your rig past what was necessary to run it anyway, and are now demanding that CCP improve the graphics to justify your purchase, then you're an absolute moron.




Not to Justify my purchase, to Justify everyone's purchase. and CCP need to improve graphics to a quality that is expected of a modern game today. but they can't, i am sure they want to, but people running outdated rigs are holding a lot of us back.


for example a GTX 560ti can now be bought for less than £100 ($158)
Add 8gb of ram £23 ( $35 dollars )

coupled with a semi decent processor you have something capable of running eve on high end at 60fps. you can't use the argument that its too expensive because it clearly is not.

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
dark heartt
#88 - 2013-05-08 06:13:16 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Yay an excuse to buy a new PC that the capitals expenditures committee (also known as "The Wife") might actually accept. Apparently "Because I want one" remains unconvincing.


That damn committee needs to just accept the I want one reason. I feel your pain bro.

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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-05-08 07:03:02 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Stan'din wrote:
and you are the reason the rest of us who have invested time and money building or buying our rigs so we can play games on constant 60fps with beautiful visuals have to suffer below par standards.

I didn't force you to invest your time and money. That was your choice. If you knew the state of graphics in EVE and upgraded your rig past what was necessary to run it anyway, and are now demanding that CCP improve the graphics to justify your purchase, then you're an absolute moron.


"The needs of the many, out weigh the needs of the few" ... or the one.

Looks like you're going to have to cough up some wonga in 2014 whether you like it or not. Blink
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#90 - 2013-05-08 07:51:51 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
There are many many people who will never again buy a dx9 game.
…and the many people who will judge a game on its DirectX version rather than on its gameplay won't stick around for the long haul of EVE anyway.

Quote:
They will have to upgrade again, its just how the industry works.
…which is why it's so common. Oh wait, it's not. You upgrade if it provides an advantage; DX11 offers some performance, but only two visual enhancements (that aren't even required in DX11 hardware) in the form of SM5 and tesselation. The former is a stronger reason than the latter, but it's the latter (rather unspectacular) part that everyone assumes will be a selling point.

Stan'din wrote:
Eve has the potential to be absolutely breathtaking, but you oxygen thieves need to either nut up or shut up. and catch the rest of us up in 2013 not 2003.
It already is, and moving to DX11 wouldn't change it much. That's the whole problem: the visual benefits aren't really there, and especially aren't big enough to justify alienating a still-sizeable chunk of the player base.
Just Lilly
#91 - 2013-05-08 07:55:22 UTC
DX11 would be nice, but the technology is getting old, better prepare for the future and start thinking DX12 Cool
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#92 - 2013-05-08 08:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Tippia wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
There are many many people who will never again buy a dx9 game.
…and the many people who will judge a game on its DirectX version rather than on its gameplay won't stick around for the long haul of EVE anyway.

Quote:
They will have to upgrade again, its just how the industry works.
…which is why it's so common. Oh wait, it's not. You upgrade if it provides an advantage; DX11 offers some performance, but only two visual enhancements (that aren't even required in DX11 hardware) in the form of SM5 and tesselation. The former is a stronger reason than the latter, but it's the latter (rather unspectacular) part that everyone assumes will be a selling point.

Stan'din wrote:
Eve has the potential to be absolutely breathtaking, but you oxygen thieves need to either nut up or shut up. and catch the rest of us up in 2013 not 2003.
It already is, and moving to DX11 wouldn't change it much. That's the whole problem: the visual benefits aren't really there, and especially aren't big enough to justify alienating a still-sizeable chunk of the player base.


Glad the devs disagree 100% and already have DX11 working.

What surviving DX8 games are there and what is their subscriber base looking like? I can't think of a single one, but I am sure you can, and describe many merits of it, of course other than income.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#93 - 2013-05-08 08:02:45 UTC
Ryal Acami wrote:
XP is still supported by Microshaft till April 2014. So no more security updates after that time. People will have to bite the bullet and upgrade after that or suffer an ever increasingly insecure platform


The SM3 requirment pushed me out of EvE for 6 months I think a further grapics requiement would push me out longer Cry
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#94 - 2013-05-08 08:08:35 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
I recall during the FF recorded coverage that in the Animation Q&A one of the devs mentioned somethig along he lines that the next expansion will be having DX 11 features.

I might have miss heard, or CCP is finally moving from DX 9 graphics.

That doesn't sound right, as our Win XP users would have issues.


Nothing says lack of progress like running antiquated systems.

Seriously, if EVE cant feature state of the art assets becasue of Windows XP - wow

I cant believe people still run XP. I mean, damn, didnt Windows stop supporting XP like 5 years ago? I ould be wrong, but If they are still supporting it, that cant be doing so for long.


Just yesterday I have read that as of now Win XP accounts for 30% of the Windows installations worldwide.

Doubt CCP would do without those subs, even if the EvE player base was above average and only had say 15% Win XP installations left.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#95 - 2013-05-08 08:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
DP sorry

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#96 - 2013-05-08 08:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Cipher Jones wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ryal Acami wrote:
XP is still supported by Microshaft till April 2014. So no more security updates after that time. People will have to bite the bullet and upgrade after that or suffer an ever increasingly insecure platform


The SM3 requirment pushed me out of EvE for 6 months I think a further grapics requiement would push me out longer Cry


You found a card that does sm3 but not dx11?

Amazing.

[quote]Just yesterday I have read that as of now Win XP accounts for 30% of the Windows installations worldwide.


Would love to see that source, and wonder if it includes the hundreds of millions of pirated copies in Asia. Yes I'm serious, thanks in advance.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-05-08 08:34:32 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
AbhChallenger wrote:
DX11 is more efficient than DX9 so I personally don't think it is about multiple clients.


What uses more power, a car that is 50% efficient and produces 200 HP or a car that is 90% efficient and produces 500HP?




First, bad example, never do that again, thank You.

Second, cars don't have Hit Points.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-05-08 08:38:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.


It was a valid reason in the past, why shouldn't it be a valid reason now?

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Akali Kuvakei
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2013-05-08 08:47:19 UTC
Remember. Light client? It was awesome to have that option.

At this stage the should have a option every time you log in to play in dx9. Or dx11.
Let it be our choice and not forced upon us.

Yes CCP will have to do a little extra work. But you know what.
THAT IS THIER JOB.
Tiven loves Tansien
Doomheim
#100 - 2013-05-08 08:47:41 UTC
AbhChallenger wrote:
(desktops can be upgraded with a 20-40 USD card for DX11 these days)


Can you contract me 2 plexes so i can upgrade.