Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you don't do enough damage, you dont deserve the killmail. Its easy as that.

I'd rather suggest the other way round, meaning that a self destruct guarantees that there's nothing usable left behind. That would mirror the motivation of using self destruction or other similar means in today's engagements - denying the enemy your resources.

To take it even further, I'd favour to have the means to do a "scorched earth" approach when facing the loss of a POS or the souvereignty in a system. Be it with additional modules/upgrades or not, something like a system-wide self-destruct (and maybe taking an enemy blob with it) has some ring to it...

no.
nobody "deserves" any killmail, as nobody forces you to go out for a hunt and tackle stuff you cant kill in time anyways.

kill "in time" before it SD.

What is "chickening out"?? Loss of ship isnt chickening out IMO, you just dont get KM and loot. Thats fine. If you cant kill it quickly, SD is an option to deny you the KM and the loot.

compromise?? Why does it need one? The guy SDing his ship does not get anything from that.
But if you are talking about compromises, I have one for you: not getting a KM for a kill is a fine one of not having enough ppl to gank big stuff in time.


"no consequences".. so what? Not everything requires a consequence, even less if someone destructs his own stuff...

Yea, Robert Caldera dosn't seam to get this. Self destruct was never intended to be used in a PVP situation. But with ships that has huge amounts of HP, it has become a reality. And now everyone uses the exploit/deny loot and KM option in WH. Except a few of the more elite WH entities.

Have you ever been in PVP? I dont see you at BC or eve-kill at all.

Actually Eve is pretty much about screwing over as many other people as you possibly can, preferably making them whine in local/on the forums/in an eve mail.

Or so my observations of the average forum denizen have led me to believe.

In which case, Self destruct is EXACTLY what this game is about - screwing you out of your shiny loot at the last possible moment.

think giving a kill mail for a cap self destructing would be good, though have it say self destructed, least that way peeps get a KM outta it, some people self destruct to deny others the kill mails

Reporter: This is Reporter01, here at the scene of a disaster of epic proportions. With me is OP, the victim of a terrible tragedy. OP, tell us what happened?
OP: *sniffing and wiping tears from red eyes* Well, my gang and I tackled this capital ship. As soon as it was attacked, it initiated self destruct and deprived us of a killmail.
Reporter: Thats it. He self destructed?
OP: Yeah, he ran away like a pu[censored!] denying us that killmail we worked so hard on.
Reporter: I see....so one more question.
OP: What is it?
Reporter: How does it feel to be a looser, champ?
OP: What? You insulting me now? *stuttering, on the verge of tears* F-f-f-f-f-f-f-fu[censored!] you, newb!
Reporter: *wiping spit from face* Thank you for that shower, was very much like your girl friend while she went down on me and sang the national Gallente Anthem at the same time. Was quit a spit-fest. *turning back to the camera* Thats it folks. A great tragedy, one guy feels like a looser and feels raging about it. Next up, whining miners who want ganking to be fixed and more excuses of "thats part of the game" after these message brought to you from our sponsor, Quafe energy drinks.


OMG! PLEASE FIX THIS ASAP! I CRY MYSELF TO SLEEP AT NIGHT AND GO TO THERAPY 3x A WEEK! ITS SO UNFAIR!

NEWSFLASH! Caps got nerfed with reduction in hitpoints and logoff agression so they can't escape. That means, the ship previously got away scot free to fight another day. It was deemed "unfair" and CCP pusses out like World of Tanks with rage quitters, dumbing down the game (yes, they are making it easy to kill ships now. Will Hulks be buffed cause they are way to easy to kill? Nope, more whining and bitter fights continue - Same Bat Forum, Same Bat time!). When ships self destruct, the ship isn't getting away scot free and its destroyed, all modules as well. It has to be replaced, unlike logoff aggression which just comes back to the battle again after downtime. You forced his hand, he self destructs flipping the bird while saying "I didn't need you to kill me, I can do it myself!" and you bitchwhine on the forums like the miners asking to buff Hulks and Concord. Nothing is wrong, the ship is gone either way be it self destruct and ganking. Belive me, once more caps start self destructing it will go back to the way of Motherships being crappy no one used them era and BS fleets mainly.

Stop whining how you feel that its unfair, this is mother F**King EVE. I think its unfair that people trained for Super Carriers and then they got nerfed. Previously they sucked hard no one used them, then 1 year they were so awesome everyone wanted to fly it and it got hard. OMFG! The whine tears that flooded CCP they just had to dumb down the game to whiney bitches. Yet hulks and miners get ****** over every day. GTFO AND HTFU already.

Also "FIX" WCS

It's just an unfair option to use in PVP. When you have a carebear ship tackled and are about to kill it, it just warps away. If you dont manage to kill it off in 10 seconds, you dont get anything. No modules drop (only drones) and you don't get any kill mail.



Also "FIX" Jump/Dock timers

It's just an unfair option to use in PVP. When you have an buffered/tanked ship tackled and are about to kill it, it just jumps through the gate or docks. If you dont manage to kill it off before it gets in jump/dock range, you don't get anything. No modules drop(not even drones) and you don't get any kill mail.


kkthnxbai