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Need some advice about my first alt

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Solidpoint
SolidMass
#1 - 2013-05-08 06:07:14 UTC
Hi All,

I am playing eve for 2 months nows now and I want to start an Alt for support. Primarily goal: missions, and in the future exploration (wormholes maybe) and incursions. My main character has drake for now and within 30 days a Tengu. What is the smartest thing to do with my alt: train it the same way (Caldari / Missiles) or would it be smart to train it different?
dark heartt
#2 - 2013-05-08 06:09:19 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
My personal opinion is to train it differently. For example you could train it to salvage and fly freighters. So on one you can kill the stuff, and on another you can salvage and haul to sell. Or you can train it to be logi and repair the damage dealer.

Of course it depends on if you want to multi box or just have on account logged in at a time.

Eve is a game about specialization and having two characters trained exactly the same way isn't as useful (again my opinion).
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-08 06:14:47 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
My personal opinion is to train it differently. For example you could train it to salvage and fly freighters. So on one you can kill the stuff, and on another you can salvage and haul to sell.

This is what I did with my first alt.

Train up haulers, Orca, some trade skills, later on go for leadership skills so you can get fleet boosts (actually may not be a good idea if off-grid boosting becomes no longer a Thing), logi skills are especially cool for WH living (even outside of combat), probe skills, whatever. Usually you train what the "main" isn't training.

****, my hauling alt eventually got trained to fly an Oracle so we'd have an extra "body" for POS bashes.

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TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-05-08 06:16:31 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
My personal opinion is to train it differently. For example you could train it to salvage and fly freighters. So on one you can kill the stuff, and on another you can salvage and haul to sell. Or you can train it to be logi and repair the damage dealer.

Of course it depends on if you want to multi box or just have on account logged in at a time.

Eve is a game about specialization and having two characters trained exactly the same way isn't as useful (again my opinion).


This and nevertheless the Tengu.
You will be able " solo" wormholes up to c4 (correct me if I am wrong) with two tengus with shield transfer if missions and anomalies are your thing.
I initially trained my first ALT as a hauler and out of curiosity about the other races...still have no Tengu pilot but hey, I hear they come in handy on occasion...

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Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#5 - 2013-05-08 06:21:00 UTC
Its honestly up to you and what you feel like doing Smile Just got my third alt a month ago and training up marketing,research,mining,industry,salvaging and exploring.

Its up to you and what you feel like doing, Caldari are good starter ships and probably the best for mission running altho Minny do come close if not on par.

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.

Solidpoint
SolidMass
#6 - 2013-05-08 06:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Solidpoint
I would like to train something different. But I read that you need the same type tank if you want to do incursions. So if I going for a Loki (minmetar ship) I can have a problem with doing incursions. So my alt has to be a good support ship for combat.

[edit]
My main flies a noctis for salvaging. I just switch ships in station and warp back for salvaging/looting. This is fast enough for me. so my alt does not need salving skills.

Also I did some mining with my main in a barger. Not really my thing. Its so damn boarding. (Did some mining in 0.4 for jaspet) Maybe its getting more profitable with an orca?! I dont know if it doubles or even more my output. The main goal is to pay the alt with plex eventually.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#7 - 2013-05-08 06:32:16 UTC
I started off with me and started as a jack of all trades, but soon decided I wanted to go more for the industry side of the game.
So I set up a 2nd account for a mission runner (caldari missile lobbing grunt)
Then a 3rd account for a hauler.
Then a 4th account for bonus.
Then a 5th account..... 6th account and then I stopped


My hauler ended up as a maxed out Amarr Carrier / Dread pilot (well he had the jump drive skills for jump freighters)

My mission runner is still pretty much that, only industry he can do is copying (can never have too many copy slots available)

Bonus alt is now maxed leadership, rorqual, orca

5th account is still an odd one, not used a lot, but freighter pilot and a trader alt


So no-matter how you plan, things evolve.

If you're meaning a 2nd account so you can multibox, then a salvager (noctis) is always a good start for mission support, logi support is a grey area, not sure how much they would be used. Also worth training a trading character up a bit to sell your stuff.

If you want to get into incursions, the quickest and cheapest way is flying Logistics, but you've got to have lots of maxed skills still. You can't just rely on the plain logistics skills, you still need a bit of tank etc.


Try and decide what your main is missing and aim to fill that hole, drones etc if you want a combat alt to start with.

If you are on about a 2nd char on your account so only 1 will be online at a time, then freighter / trader char would be useful, I wouldn't be tempted to learn a whole new set of guns etc for a mission runner, missiles are fairly versatile and it seems like a waste of training time lost off your main char for that.

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-08 06:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
if youre focusing your main on a combat role, i'd take a support route for the alt.
fastest way to get it off the grown being useful is train salvaging and have it salvage for you in missions.
then train things like logistics, orca, covops, probing ect.

if your after doing WHs, having a dedicated scanner alt with very high scanning skills is extremely useful.
logistics will let you use both at the same time in incursions and is very useful for PSP and again WHs.
having an orca alt is also handy but wait till the Odyssey skill req changes for that.

i would also train a different race than your main for ship choice variety.

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Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-05-08 06:39:31 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
My personal opinion is to train it differently. For example you could train it to salvage and fly freighters. So on one you can kill the stuff, and on another you can salvage and haul to sell. Or you can train it to be logi and repair the damage dealer.

Of course it depends on if you want to multi box or just have on account logged in at a time.

Eve is a game about specialization and having two characters trained exactly the same way isn't as useful (again my opinion).


This for sure. If you want an alt you should train it in something that will synergize well or cover an inherent lack in some skill areas your main has.
Solidpoint
SolidMass
#10 - 2013-05-08 06:46:28 UTC
Thanks this is helpfull! I have a lack of DPS with my drake but a verry strong tank. So I could make DPS minmatar ship and a tank / Probe ship with my main. Get the drake locket first and pop the rats out of the air with my DPS ship :-)
dark heartt
#11 - 2013-05-08 06:51:39 UTC
Solidpoint wrote:
Thanks this is helpfull! I have a lack of DPS with my drake but a verry strong tank. So I could make DPS minmatar ship and a tank / Probe ship with my main. Get the drake locket first and pop the rats out of the air with my DPS ship :-)


Just be aware that the mission rats will now switch targets so they may see your DPS ship as a bigger threat than the Drake and try to kill it instead.
Solidpoint
SolidMass
#12 - 2013-05-08 06:54:52 UTC
:O to bad
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
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#13 - 2013-05-08 07:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Solidpoint wrote:
Hi All,

I am playing eve for 2 months nows now and I want to start an Alt for support. Primarily goal: missions, and in the future exploration (wormholes maybe) and incursions. My main character has drake for now and within 30 days a Tengu. What is the smartest thing to do with my alt: train it the same way (Caldari / Missiles) or would it be smart to train it different?

I'm going to take the rare step here of giving you actual advice. Your alt is everything your main is not. Keep his/her sec status over 0.0. You should train your alt into a jump freighter immediately, and get your market skills up there while you're at it. This will give your main the lateral to evolve without thought to consequences. -10.0 sec? no problem. Your alt moves your **** and sells your loot. Getting an alt is the most liberating thing you can do for your main. When your main is plundering in null or gatecamping in lowsec, your alt can move the loot and provide resupply wherever you need it. Transport ships help. At some point your alt will need to fly a cloaky nullified T3. That's perfect logistics. A Cloaky nulled T3 can go anywhere it wants to. No fear of camps or bubbles if you aren't retar***. Then, once those things are trained, go for exploration skills and logistics, so your alt can scout out sites and actually provide active support for your main. I mean, WTF do i know about eve, but this is definitely the way to go with alt #1 in my view. Your alt is your ultimate bi*** and you need to train him/her to that end.

Just my 2 ISK....

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Solidpoint
SolidMass
#14 - 2013-05-08 07:59:03 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Solidpoint wrote:
Hi All,

I am playing eve for 2 months nows now and I want to start an Alt for support. Primarily goal: missions, and in the future exploration (wormholes maybe) and incursions. My main character has drake for now and within 30 days a Tengu. What is the smartest thing to do with my alt: train it the same way (Caldari / Missiles) or would it be smart to train it different?

I'm going to take the rare step here of giving you actual advice. Your alt is everything your main is not. Keep his/her sec status over 0.0. You should train your alt into a jump freighter immediately, and get your market skills up there while you're at it. This will give your main the lateral to evolve without thought to consequences. -10.0 sec? no problem. Your alt moves your **** and sells your loot. Getting an alt is the most liberating thing you can do for your main. When your main is plundering in null or gatecamping in lowsec, your alt can move the loot and provide resupply wherever you need it. Transport ships help. At some point your alt will need to fly a cloaky nullified T3. That's perfect logistics. A Cloaky nulled T3 can go anywhere it wants to. No fear of camps or bubbles if you aren't retar***. Then, once those things are trained, go for exploration skills and logistics, so your alt can scout out sites and actually provide active support for your main. I mean, WTF do i know about eve, but this is definitely the way to go with alt #1 in my view. Your alt is your ultimate bi*** and you need to train him/her to that end.

Just my 2 ISK....


Wow thanks. That is good use of an alt :-) Any race suggestions then?
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-08 08:16:51 UTC
Solidpoint wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Solidpoint wrote:
Hi All,

I am playing eve for 2 months nows now and I want to start an Alt for support. Primarily goal: missions, and in the future exploration (wormholes maybe) and incursions. My main character has drake for now and within 30 days a Tengu. What is the smartest thing to do with my alt: train it the same way (Caldari / Missiles) or would it be smart to train it different?

I'm going to take the rare step here of giving you actual advice. Your alt is everything your main is not. Keep his/her sec status over 0.0. You should train your alt into a jump freighter immediately, and get your market skills up there while you're at it. This will give your main the lateral to evolve without thought to consequences. -10.0 sec? no problem. Your alt moves your **** and sells your loot. Getting an alt is the most liberating thing you can do for your main. When your main is plundering in null or gatecamping in lowsec, your alt can move the loot and provide resupply wherever you need it. Transport ships help. At some point your alt will need to fly a cloaky nullified T3. That's perfect logistics. A Cloaky nulled T3 can go anywhere it wants to. No fear of camps or bubbles if you aren't retar***. Then, once those things are trained, go for exploration skills and logistics, so your alt can scout out sites and actually provide active support for your main. I mean, WTF do i know about eve, but this is definitely the way to go with alt #1 in my view. Your alt is your ultimate bi*** and you need to train him/her to that end.

Just my 2 ISK....


Wow thanks. That is good use of an alt :-) Any race suggestions then?


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Akali Kuvakei
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-05-08 08:28:52 UTC
Buy a cap pilot and move to null. You will get sick of eve very soon if all you do is missions. Come fight other pilots, that's what eve is really about. Not shooting red crosses
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All Hail Boobies
#17 - 2013-05-08 09:11:23 UTC
As others have said, train up a salvage alt if you are focusing on missions for now. Get it into a Noctis. It is invaluable, and it makes it's money back in no time with the salvage and loot you get. It's what I did. Once that is out of the way, figure out something else you want to try, and train it for that.
Solidpoint
SolidMass
#18 - 2013-05-08 09:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Solidpoint
Akali Kuvakei wrote:
Buy a cap pilot and move to null. You will get sick of eve very soon if all you do is missions. Come fight other pilots, that's what eve is really about. Not shooting red crosses


I tried to get to 0 sec. I always get killed there lost mil's of ISK there just to try and survive. I am not ready yet to live there. I like the missions. I want to do level 4 and after that exploration. (Wormholes) systems are to crowded. In the last 5 days I tried to do over 30 sites. Never had the chance to kill the dread myself. there was always a Tengu or Loki at the end stilling my dread. I need to speed up my killings and find less crowded sites.
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-05-08 09:51:16 UTC
I have a second alt I'm working on that is primarily going to be an out of corp charon/rhea pilot. Maybe throw in some trade skills, can't hurt.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#20 - 2013-05-08 15:14:48 UTC
In General
- Logistical and Salvage support
- Cyno alt
- Tackle / Covert
- RR support
- If you plan on lots of exploration, then maxing out your scanning skills and mods is a must. Will save you TONNES of time.

For Combat:
Your characters are not going to be that far apart. so you are going to be closer in combat equivalency. So, as people said, you should consider filling in the gaps you main does not have. So if he is strong in Amarr Lasers (EM/Heat) then consider your alt to fill the other damage voids to give yourself a spread. the flip side is they may not be able to share resources and ships.

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