EVE General Discussion

before any fixes to anything Issler Dainze fix your eyes what is wrong

i don't know why you wis ppl are upset, the engine is completed wis is coming, however later rather than sooner
sooner if ccp can optimize the engine
later if ccp just sit on their hands and wait 3 years as cpus and graphic cards double their power for the same price

I find it amusing that someone who posted in this thread about people insulting others seems to be the main instigator of that very activity. Especially after posting the following:

All sounds very nice, keep your comments civil and all that, except:
So per the quote above would they be concidered 'negative personal attacks'? Well at least Phantom pegged him once for a personal attack in one of his threads, Phantom must have missed the others.


Well getting back on subject, it looks like CCP is doing what those few 'close minded simpletons' want with the winter expansion then huh. (cynicism in case you missed it) Only CCP truly knows at this stage how many accounts were reactivated after the FiS refocus announcements and we'll have to wait to see it's effect on numbers after the winter expansion is released.

Moving forward, CCP need to rethink where they were headed with WiS and make it more about fun interesting sandbox game content and less about the cash shop.

Nobody is against CCP expanding Eve and making more money. The problem was that they were neglecting the primary reason people play Eve to create dress-up barbie dolls attached to a ridiculous microtransaction store. Now CCP has woken up and is expanding the core gameplay of Eve and it will be more successful because of it.

WIS...No, The Sims is that way----->

If the core game elements were always put first or prioritized higher, then would there be as many angry people or anti wis people? I totally understand many of their point of views and agree with some of them. The majority of the playerbase are fis players and to take their money and pump it into wis as a priority one was not the way to go about it. I think many had a problem with this and that turned them into anti-wis. Also there may not be currently enough resources to do anything with incarna, which is another point that has been brought up, so it is best to wait till the company is in better shape to try again. Another very valid point. I have no idea how incarna development works and they may actually need a largish force to get any headway on it.

However many from both sides can agree that the concept of incarna could bring in new blood, expand its playerbase, and give ccp more subs/money. The barbie comments are just a fun way to describe the junk we currently have with incarna. It could be so much more and if it is not that, but rather just a side note to fis, then incarna was a failure before it ever started. A side note wont bring in that many new players. I'm not going to dock up at a station and spend the extra load time for a side note. There must be content, things to do and the ability to feel like living in a station is just as much apart of the game as flying spaceships. There are many ideas even posted in this thread about how to do that.

Although, how do we get there? How can ccp make an incarna that does not annoy its current playerbase? The end result of a finished incarna could be a huge payoff for ccp and enrich the eve players life, however, it is a long term goal. Trying to spit out incarna as fast as possible is not the correct path. I believe the path is to keep it as a long term goal and assign resouces to it as such. Always keeping the core elements of our current eve universe as priority one, but not forgetting about incarna.

It seems some people have missed some of the facts surrounding the whole microtransaction debacle. When the shite was hitting the fan over the Fearless newsletter regarding 'gold ammo', etc, yes for anyone who cared to look into it further they would have seen that it was just some internal CCP theorising. So that by itself meant little as to where CCP's stance was on the subject of microtransactions.

Now having said that if we look at the context of the Fearless newsletter talking about 'gold ammo', golden geese and microtransactions on many things other than clothing, etc, then view Hilmar's email, please tell me where this 'suppose' line is coming from because Hilmar stated where CCP was headed with microtransactions in EVE.

And just in case you missed the quote in Hilmar's email referencing microtransactions that should have made any EVE player more than a little concerned.


One of the problems was that Hilmar clearly thought that like in other games the players in EVE would just bend over and take the addition of microtransactions and the monetizing of more aspects of the game. Maybe just maybe he might stop listening to these supposed industry experts telling him that he'd be rolling in money and show the playerbase that he actually gives a **** about the integrity of EVE the sandbox game. And not try and turn it into EVE the wanna be themepark, microtransactioned up the wahzoo game.

ah youre not lying, youre making it up. Fair enough

I never "counted" anything. That was the number the forum provided for "likes". I quoted it. Others have counted stuff. In fact others pointed out some likes were not in favor of WiS. Doesn't matter because enough were from some WiS development to continue.

All I intended to convey to CCP was Hilmar's implication in his interview was wrong, Everyone in Eve did not hate WiS and only want FiS. That many folks wanted some WiS development to continue and not be "put on ice".

The responses in this thread proved that beyond my expectations and no counting is required to make my case.

I mostly try and ignore your responses as they are clearly trolling but you provided a legitimate reason for a bump! Keep 'm cumin'!

Issler

30+ pages of you and the other Barbie fetishists getting trolled is proof of what exactly?

Incarna and the money-grubbing aspirations of a certain CEO really are two separate issues. Incarna goes way back, when Ambulation was just a gleam in the eye of developers who were faced with hardware that couldn't nearly make their dreams a reality yet. Then Hilmar injected greed into the equation; allegedly because some Korean demographics had shown him that he could make money, hand over fist, pushing Needlessly EXpensive stuff down our throats. And he actually even botched that too (how sad is that!?), as he didn't even offer anything of value in his store -- other than the silly monocle, of course (which wasn't even a monocle, LOL, but an ocular implant which looked so slapped-on that people started calling it a monocle).

Anyway, as you yourself say, WiS became polluted with the NeX. That was Hilmar's doing alone. And it wasn't even necessary. If he wanted microtransactions, he could have sold things like ship skins/corp logos, etc. You know, stuff people actually wanted. Alas, he went with a very poor selection of even more poorly designed clothes. That still baffles me; any business man with half a sense will tell you not to open up a store until you... have actually something to sell!

As an anyway to my anyway, WiS and NeX are separate entities. As a consequence, I hope to see less of the latter, and a little more of the former.