Ships & Modules

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Blow it out of your reaR!

Rupture - 600DPS at ooo 4k - then down to bugger all at 24k. Wrecking hits and misses. Many many more misses as range leaves 4k. So you have to get in close, and fit scram/web if you can, and suffer while kiting missile boat controls range if it has any sense. My god - amazing - at 20k you missiles hit, and at 10, and at 5 and ALWAYS FOR F SAKE. In this case - range and speed are your tank - not the totally PVE oriented fits you appear to live by. GROW ONE FFS and do some pvp. Turrents have drawbacks, try them and you would know. Don't speculate and spout crap.

Why are there so many totally cretinous missile users out there?

Rigor rigs, target painters, webs and HAMS. HML's are ****.

You're underskilled or doing it wrong. Caracals can and will wreck a Ruppy.

Painter yes, but not the missile rigs on a Drake, at least not if you want any kind of tank/prop-jam/gank in the other slots: Nowhere near enough CPU.

Most of my "co-main's" kills the last time I did any real PvP (small-gang roaming and wardec mainly) were/are in an HM Drake.

But then, I know how missiles really work (and moreover where they don't work) unlike all the idiots screaming for them to be ruined nerfed, too.

Even for roams armour is attractive if you can afford a logi or two - armour tanks mean better tackle, etc. Nothing like your entire gang having points and webs to make the other guy's life miserable.

missiles are broken?, ahh, thats why I can't solo all my level 4 missions in that Cara

Just like before I can see where you're coming from but if you really think HAMs are 'low dps' you're quite wrong. Look at my recent killboard activity to see what I'm talking about. HAMs are reasonably good, their biggest failure is the short range.

There are a couple of threads around looking at missiles in a general sense and conversation generally centers around either adding more modules for missiles to increase damage application (and EWAR against missiles ergo tracking disruptors) or for as I support especially - a decrease in explosion radius for missiles/torps.

Heavy missiles got spanked hard possibly even unreasonably hard to the degree I can only assume CCP are hamfisting people in to training for other weapons systems. OK I can dig diversifying the game a bit but the idea is supposed to be about making the other systems competitive not making a moot point of one system alone. Heavy missiles got hit with too many nerfs all at once without a corresponding increase in other areas to compensate, and I quote various in-game sources "because HML tengus are too strong with too much range". Instead of nerfing tengu specific bonuses they attacked the weapon itself which was not especially strong outside specific fleet doctrines or mission drakes.

I'll admit at this point that I have only read the first page of this thread but if you are supporting a decrease in sig radius for explosions you have my full support. It is in my opinion going to be the only noteworthy change to missile systems for a long time.

Short range - no - again PLEASE GOD - try a turret boat - short range, high DPS is 10k and under. At 30k HAM range, medium autos and blasters are woefully bad - missing a lot, and hitting for tiny damage. My artillery tracks for **** at 30k and full damage ammo maxes out at 20k - falloff thereafter - at 30k its half the DPS - I need to get traversal right, I need to web or paint or improve tracking to assist.

If anything, HAMs are too long range. They ALWAYS hit, always for the same very good DPS etc etc. I wish my autocannons would do the same (not really).

Of course, target size, velocity (traversal'esque') mean full DPS isnt always applied, sooooo ... just like any other close range boat - you fit scram, webs etc etc. This brings you in closer by design. Try hitting a frig with medium turrets when hes in tight orbit - bet your missiles still hit - bet they hit harder when hes webbed/painted.

The problem with the majority of missile users is they dont PVP so they just moan that damage is crap because they dont understand that you have to tie a target down to kill it. I love the current crop of drakes with HAMS and web and scram - willing to do what all closein turret boats do, and hold their target and apply DPS.

Take a huggin or rapier if you want to kite outside your targets web range - they work for both turrents and missiles.

Heyy - why not make missiles lose damage the further out theyre fired from. Make the 'fuel' be thermal damage, say 25% - as it burns to close on the target it loses fuel and so that 25% goes down until at max range its only the other main damage thats applied. Just like autos and blasters - you would close in to get more dps - but HAMS at 30k would be 75% of their possible max DPS. Voila - balanced.