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EULA is a joke?

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-05-08 01:00:03 UTC
This entire post needs a giant 'who cares?' review.
You really think CCP is going to start banning all people that run multiple accounts?
Yeah. Right. That's gonna happen right after citadel torps become not terrible.

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Davion Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-05-08 02:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Davion Thellere
Jack Miton wrote:

You really think CCP is going to start banning all people that run multiple accounts?

No, but is basicly, as written, its a "CCP may bann you simply ... because" clause.
Would you rent a flat if you noticed a clause like "house lord may throw you out if he doesnt like your nose"?
And i just want to ask, why?

And yeah, i´ve read a lot funnier EULAs, containing stuff like "takes no responsability if this software rapes your woman and eats your dog" or simply the good o´l DO WHAT THE **** YOU WANT TO LICENSE.
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#43 - 2013-05-08 04:14:31 UTC
This single licensed copy line simply prohibits the use of a trial account to create an alt.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.

dark heartt
#44 - 2013-05-08 04:16:28 UTC
Davion Thellere wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:

You really think CCP is going to start banning all people that run multiple accounts?

No, but is basicly, as written, its a "CCP may bann you simply ... because" clause.
Would you rent a flat if you noticed a clause like "house lord may throw you out if he doesnt like your nose"?
And i just want to ask, why?

And yeah, i´ve read a lot funnier EULAs, containing stuff like "takes no responsability if this software rapes your woman and eats your dog" or simply the good o´l DO WHAT THE **** YOU WANT TO LICENSE.



CCP already could ban you simply because.
Benuse Eyrou
Drunk Frog
#45 - 2013-05-08 07:12:40 UTC
With this EULA thing can somebody explain to me

If I wanted to take ccp to court over somthing would I have to travel to Iceland?.

I know the client is in the uk and they have offices in the uk.

But from what I might of heard is that because CCP's main office is in Iceland, lawyers would have to go to the court there? and go under Icelands rulling. Which is extremly odd.


Also CCP decided to ban 2000 plus botters who have actually hacked and abused the game for years to be banned for only 30 days?>

Is this them stretching the rules of EULA so they dont actually loose 2500 paying/plexing accounts. Im presuming the banned accounts are going to spend there 30 days of ban to come up with new ways of hacking the system?.


Advise would be helpful please
dark heartt
#46 - 2013-05-08 07:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
CCP will always ban for 30 days at first, as they want to give the benefit of the doubt to people, if they are caught again they are banned forever. The first one is considered a warning, the second is them saying goodbye. The exception is if the account is found to be engaging in RMT actions. They are banned without warning and for good.

Also if you believe them, a lot of people don't know that they are doing something wrong and are apologetic (the fanfest part about security mentioned this).

As far as the court thing, I have no idea.
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-05-08 08:21:03 UTC
Colonel Xaven wrote:
Quote:
"1. REQUIREMENTS TO PLAY
To play EVE, you must: (i) purchase and download a copy of the Software;"
Hold it? You just using the free download of the software is a breach of Eula?


No. You can download the software for free, but you only can play EVE with a license and downloaded software. Pretty clear imho. "purchand and download" means both is required. You can do only one of both if you wish, but you can't play then.


EULA does not talk about a license. It talks about a copy of the software..

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Benuse Eyrou
Drunk Frog
#48 - 2013-05-08 08:42:35 UTC
For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. You must purchase a separate license to the Software for each additional Account you register; e.g., if you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes.


so just to get my head around this. If you have 6 accounts for instance your need 6 computers???????????????????Shocked
Lady Areola Fappington
#49 - 2013-05-08 08:54:32 UTC
Benuse Eyrou wrote:
With this EULA thing can somebody explain to me

If I wanted to take ccp to court over somthing would I have to travel to Iceland?.

I know the client is in the uk and they have offices in the uk.

But from what I might of heard is that because CCP's main office is in Iceland, lawyers would have to go to the court there? and go under Icelands rulling. Which is extremly odd.


Also CCP decided to ban 2000 plus botters who have actually hacked and abused the game for years to be banned for only 30 days?>

Is this them stretching the rules of EULA so they dont actually loose 2500 paying/plexing accounts. Im presuming the banned accounts are going to spend there 30 days of ban to come up with new ways of hacking the system?.


Advise would be helpful please


If you want anything to actually "stick" against CCP, you'd have to take them to court in Iceland. CCP is based and headquartered in Iceland. You might maybe sorta get a judgement against them in the UK, to which CCP just has to say "Yeah, and?" Just because you can get a judgement, doesn't mean you get anything out of it.

Think like this....if someone from the United states walked up to you and said "Hey, there's been a court case against you in the USA, you owe me 500,000 dollars.", would you pay?

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Tiberius Andropov
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-05-08 08:59:12 UTC
EULA's are serious but also funny.

PC Pitstop included a clause in one of its own EULAs that promised anyone who read it, a "consideration" including money if they sent a note to an email address listed in the EULA. After four months and more than 3,000 downloads, one person finally wrote in. That person, by the way, got a check for $1,000 proving, at least for one person, that it really does pay to read EULAs.


source: http://www.pcpitstop.com/spycheck/eula.asp
Rutger Janssen
Chanuur
The Initiative.
#51 - 2013-05-08 09:11:35 UTC
Benuse Eyrou wrote:
For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. You must purchase a separate license to the Software for each additional Account you register; e.g., if you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes.


so just to get my head around this. If you have 6 accounts for instance your need 6 computers???????????????????Shocked


No, you could install 6 times on a computer and use only 1 account per installation.

But that's not CCPs intention; read my previous post about it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2989043#post2989043
ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#52 - 2013-05-08 10:40:50 UTC
I'm not really sure what the issue is here.

Perhaps the EULA could be more clearly written, but to what end?

Some of the wording is likely left over from when Eve was sold in a box with a disk. (a friend of mine recently found a mint condition Original Eve Online game box with instruction manual and disk).

If you believe you are violating the EULA stop.
Petition for clarification if you are unsure.

If you have 6 accounts, you do not need 6 computers. (you will need the client installed 6 times on a computer with enough processing power to run them.)
Once the client is installed, you can copy the folder multiple times.
When the client updates it saves a seperate update file in the eve client folder which you can copy to your other installation folders to prevent having to dowload the patch multiple times.

You need an account to log into the client, which you must pay for yourself though real money or PLEX (which someone paid real money for, and sold in-game for isk.)

ISD Gallifreyan

Lt. Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCL)

Interstellar Services Department

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#53 - 2013-05-08 10:45:53 UTC
…and anyway, the best EULAs are all Apple's, such as the one prohibiting the use of iTunes for the purpose of producing WMDs. P
Rutger Janssen
Chanuur
The Initiative.
#54 - 2013-05-08 11:00:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rutger Janssen
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:
I'm not really sure what the issue is here.

Perhaps the EULA could be more clearly written, but to what end?

So it correctly represents CCPs intention and avoids confusion and unnecessary installs.

ISD Gallifreyan wrote:

Some of the wording is likely left over from when Eve was sold in a box with a disk. (a friend of mine recently found a mint condition Original Eve Online game box with instruction manual and disk).

It is as I mentioned earlier when I paraphrased a GM.

ISD Gallifreyan wrote:

If you believe you are violating the EULA stop.
Petition for clarification if you are unsure.


I've already done that( so you don't have to and burden the GMs). You do not need to need have multiple installs.


ISD Gallifreyan wrote:

If you have 6 accounts, you do not need 6 computers. (you will need the client installed 6 times on a computer with enough processing power to run them.)
Once the client is installed, you can copy the folder multiple times.

Yes you can do that if you want to live strictly according to the EULA, BUT you do not NEED to.

I think you should have mentioned that as you're ISD, people might actually go install multiple times, that you're not violating the eula according to CCP if you only have 1 installation and use that with multiple accounts. You will not get banned for this.
Davion Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-05-08 13:49:27 UTC
Benuse Eyrou wrote:
With this EULA thing can somebody explain to me

If I wanted to take ccp to court over somthing would I have to travel to Iceland?.


Depends. Generally yes, but if the license is in contradiction with local law you could just file a charge there (EULA needs to be valid in the country you "sign" it after all).
So basicly a local court could e.g. ban the service. Which again could be ignored easily unless there is an extradiction treaty between the countries, but may influence future travel plans.

Dont think that clause would be a reason though, but e.g. cloud services and differing data protection laws is a place it really gets messy.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#56 - 2013-05-08 22:22:25 UTC
Hi Guys,

Sorry to shut down this conversation but the EULA is an agreement between you and the company, the only people qualified to talk about what it actually all boils down to are employee's of CCP Games, and they won't come and have the conversation here in a public discussion forum.

Any other discussion about this does really fall under the rumor mongering rule and therefore is not a permissible subject here.

The best thing you can do is raise a petition and ask CCP about your concern.

Sorry, but I have to lock this thread.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]

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