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Need help for a solo PvP fit
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Daedlus Caine
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-07 19:45:25 UTC
Hiya, I'm beginning my journey into solo PvP'ing for a boredom neutralizer, and I'm at a crossroads on what I should do. I prefer Gallente ships with blasters as I have more knowledge of the two. Small T2 blasters aren't an issue, nor are T2 damage controls and some armour hardeners/things of the nature.

Should I use frigs, dessies, or cruisers in low-sec? I'd prefer fast ships to make the way I play easier. Any advice would be appreciated!
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-05-07 19:48:33 UTC
Lots of people will be around to help you with fits.

I'm just here to remind you about the lube :)

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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#3 - 2013-05-07 20:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Daedlus Caine wrote:
Should I use frigs, dessies, or cruisers in low-sec? I'd prefer fast ships to make the way I play easier. Any advice would be appreciated!


Since you are starting out, fly something that you deem expendable enough, and that matches the skills you have currently. A T1 frigate or a destroyer is going to give you the best bang for the buck, at least until you become more experienced.

Here is a loadout you can try out against light MWD tacklers. It might give you some ideas.

[Catalyst, bSC cheapskate Cata]

Linear Flux Stabilizer I
Linear Flux Stabilizer I
F85 Peripheral Damage System I

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

5317 EHP, 381 OH DPS and 2968 OH speed. 3.3 mil, rigged.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#4 - 2013-05-07 20:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Here's an Atron fit that I use and have had pretty good luck with:

Atron
3 Lt Ion II, Nos
1mn AB II, ASB, Scram
2 TE, MAPC
Collision Accel, 2 Poly

Here's another one, but it's paper thin. Also had pretty good luck:
3 125mm Rail II
1mn MWD, Disruptor, Web/TD
2 TE, MFS
Collision Accel, 2 Ambit

I think with the new armor changes I might try out an AAR Atron.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Daedlus Caine
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-07 21:22:45 UTC
Thanks for the responses, guys. I'll try these out soon.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2013-05-07 21:51:02 UTC
Mancursus is the way to go.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Daedlus Caine
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-07 22:58:01 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Mancursus is the way to go.


ATRON STRONK

No idea how to fit those things anyway.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2013-05-07 23:57:16 UTC
For a low SP pilot

[Incursus, Blastor]
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S

Small Hybrid Ambit Extension I
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Requires Genolutions to fit, if that is out of your price range you can downgrade the guns

Remember, Navy antimatter for close range brawling and switch to null if someone is keeping range on you.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2013-05-08 00:19:02 UTC
I'm curious if anyone has an armor tanked blaster Atron fit that's done well for them. It's definitely more my style.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#10 - 2013-05-08 00:53:13 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has an armor tanked blaster Atron fit that's done well for them. It's definitely more my style.

-Liang


With current popularity of SML-TD-MWD + TD-Slashers frigs runnin around.. I personally prefer this..

3x T2 150 rails
scram/web/ab - T2s
SAAR/overdrive/EANM - T2s (obviously not SAAR)
2x Semi-cells/N-pump - rigs to your own flavor, this is what fits without gimping other key areas like poly hampering an already thin paper buffer even further.. and hybrid rigs or second pump not fitting w/o implants.

Takes V fitting skills to barely fit w/o implants. 100ish dps, 70ish omni-tank, 1555 m/s base speed. GTFO abilities, can hit annoying kiters with right ammo, can mitigate dmg while applying more of its dps than a lot of T1 frig setups if you scram/web kite.

Not perfect, nothing should be tho. But has a wide field of engagement ability. I think blaster frigs should stick to the hulls that can sledgehammer someone's face before they can blink.. like an Enyo, Blarpy or a DD (I guess, rail DD is best frig imo).


 Ume-Pro Studios
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-05-08 01:05:43 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has an armor tanked blaster Atron fit that's done well for them. It's definitely more my style.

-Liang



It ends up with similar dps as the Incursus but half the tank.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2013-05-08 01:14:28 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has an armor tanked blaster Atron fit that's done well for them. It's definitely more my style.

-Liang



It ends up with similar dps as the Incursus but half the tank.


Sure, but it's faster, smaller, and has a range bonus. That's like saying the Taranis is useless because the Harpy exists.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Mathias Orsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-08 01:57:39 UTC
I know it's actually a big step and a little different that what you were looking for but my favorite solo PVP ship is the rattlesnake.

[Rattlesnake, pvp]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Power Diagnostic System II

Pith C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Domination Warp Disruptor
Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer
True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer
True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
[empty high slot]

Large Core Defense Operational Solidifier II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II


Garde II x5
Ogre II x5
Aron Binchiette
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-08 07:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Aron Binchiette
Dual Rep incursus

light neutron blaster II
light neutron blaster II
light neutron blaster II

limited 1mn microwarpdrive I
Warp scrambler II
small capacitor booster II Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Armor repair II
Small Armor repair II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage control II

Small Ancillary current router I
Small Auxiliary nano pump I
Small Auxiliary nano pump I

Hobgoblin II

137 DPS tank cold 170 OH
3033 m/s
180 dps cold w/ void 204 OH 1.7 + 1.6
163 Navy AM cold 184 OH 1.1 + 3.1
134 Null cold 151 OH 3.2 + 4.4
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-05-08 15:32:58 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has an armor tanked blaster Atron fit that's done well for them. It's definitely more my style.

-Liang



It ends up with similar dps as the Incursus but half the tank.


Sure, but it's faster, smaller, and has a range bonus. That's like saying the Taranis is useless because the Harpy exists.

-Liang


Blaster Ranis will lose to a blaster harpy 10/10 unless the harpy is really bad

Blaster Atron will lose to a blaster incursus 10/10 unless the incursus is really bad.


Not saying the Atron doesn't have any uses.. But as a frig fight brawler its clearly inferior to the Incursus.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2013-05-08 17:52:05 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:

Blaster Ranis will lose to a blaster harpy 10/10 unless the harpy is really bad

Blaster Atron will lose to a blaster incursus 10/10 unless the incursus is really bad.

Not saying the Atron doesn't have any uses.. But as a frig fight brawler its clearly inferior to the Incursus.


I happen to be a pretty good Blarpy pilot and I know for fact that you basically can't hit a ranis in a neutron Harpy. Now, the Ranis has never been able to break my tank either, but there's been more than once that fitting a buffer tank would have killed me against a Ranis. You really seem to underestimate the strength of a tracking bonus for attacking close range interceptors. Even more than that, you don't seem to understand that an Incursus winning in a theoretical 1v1 against an Atron doesn't really mean a whole lot when comparing the viability of the two ships.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2013-05-08 20:00:10 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:

Blaster Ranis will lose to a blaster harpy 10/10 unless the harpy is really bad

Blaster Atron will lose to a blaster incursus 10/10 unless the incursus is really bad.

Not saying the Atron doesn't have any uses.. But as a frig fight brawler its clearly inferior to the Incursus.


I happen to be a pretty good Blarpy pilot and I know for fact that you basically can't hit a ranis in a neutron Harpy. Now, the Ranis has never been able to break my tank either, but there's been more than once that fitting a buffer tank would have killed me against a Ranis. You really seem to underestimate the strength of a tracking bonus for attacking close range interceptors. Even more than that, you don't seem to understand that an Incursus winning in a theoretical 1v1 against an Atron doesn't really mean a whole lot when comparing the viability of the two ships.

-Liang


Well i know i have killed a Taranis in a rail incursus without any tracking issues?

I don't really get how you can manage to NOT track a Taranis with blasters.. Unless possibly if you are in a MWD harpy fighting a AB/scram/web ranis.. If not the speed difference really shouldn't be enough for the Taranis to properly get under the neutrons..

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#18 - 2013-05-09 04:51:22 UTC
Sure, and I've killed a Domi with 3 Condors. I just looked at a fraps I took in a Harpy v Taranis 1v1. It took a 77 seconds for me to down a Taranis in an Ion Harpy. Once he closed to 1500 meters it was damn near impossible to hit him - most of my damage came in massive spurts when I managed to lower transversal. I've seen and had far better performances.

I'm going to dig through more of my fraps footage to see if I have any of that recorded. I think you just fundamentally do not understand how little of your damage you're actually applying.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Daedlus Caine
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-05-09 22:53:56 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
-snip-


I can confirm that this fit works like a charm. Since I couldn't find a fight in low-sec, I had a duel with my CEO. Maybe not a tradtional first kill, but a first kill nevertheless.

I'll look into making this fit into a similar but more personalized one. Thanks for the beautiful fit advice, you've probably just sparked my beginning into a PvP career. o7