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[CrdG] CONCORD and the Shakor Administration

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Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#1 - 2013-05-07 21:48:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
It's unfortunate that it took the Federation this long to to encounter a scenario that would show them the true face of Shakor's Republic.

The Caldari State is now the ONLY one of the Empires that has not been forcibly invaded by this government. Not this nation, but This Administration.

I do not lightly make this statement given the closeness of recent tragedy, but the Republic led by Karin Midular would never have been this stupid, bloodthirsty, or reckless. The magnitude of her loss is made painfully evident not 24 hours after her passing; she was the only hope that any disciple of peace had for Amarr and Matari. It is apparent now that there is also little hope for peace between the Matari and anyone else.

CONCORD should take a long hard look at the members of it's charter. Then they should remember how many lives they lost to a sneak attack by a Shakorite Warfleet.

In a few short years, this government has boldly and blatantly attacked nearly every other CONCORD signatory entity, and CONCORD itself.

CONCORD should remove the Minmatar Republic as a member state of the Yulai Convention until this chaotic rogue regime can be ended.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#2 - 2013-05-07 21:49:56 UTC
So, it took something like an hour for the Empire to start using this against us.

Told you so, Republic Fleet.

Elsebeth
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#3 - 2013-05-07 21:51:32 UTC
It's not against the Republic, nor it's citizens.

It is against the fool who has decided to use your people to break every agreement your nation ever ratified.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#4 - 2013-05-07 21:54:31 UTC
Yes, the actions of the Fleet today were wrong (to put it mildly...). And yes, the problem does seem to be with Shakor's administration itself (this is not confirmed, however).


But frankly, this request of yours, Graelyn, is a very blatantly clear attempt at getting us into a position for your nation to "easily" launch your Reclaiming without fear of retaliation, and anyone reading your request should have no trouble seeing it for what it is.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-07 21:57:58 UTC
This course of action will throw all of New Eden into chaos. We can hardly afford such a disturbance with other threats lurking in the dark of Anoikis and Nation territory. I'm afraid your reasoning has been clouded by your prejudice against the Matari people. One of the many virtues of post-humans is pragmatism; I encourage you to set your bias aside and see the big picture.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#6 - 2013-05-07 22:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Katarina Musana wrote:
Yes, the actions of the Fleet today were wrong (to put it mildly...). And yes, the problem does seem to be with Shakor's administration itself (this is not confirmed, however).


But frankly, this request of yours, Graelyn, is a very blatantly clear attempt at getting us into a position for your nation to "easily" launch your Reclaiming without fear of retaliation, and anyone reading your request should have no trouble seeing it for what it is.


There is a viper in your house. That Graelyn is pointing it out makes it no less true.

Do you truly believe that Shakor is all that stands between the Minmatar and the Reclamation?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#7 - 2013-05-07 22:01:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
Katarina Musana wrote:
But frankly, this request of yours, Graelyn, is a very blatantly clear attempt at getting us into a position for your nation to "easily" launch your Reclaiming without fear of retaliation, and anyone reading your request should have no trouble seeing it for what it is.


CONCORD exists to maintain the state of peace between it's signatories. It is the reason it was founded.

I ask them to do so, before the many elements among my own people, who are aching to be called upon for such a task, are convinced that it is up to them to act.

Unless you would prefer a solution from the Imperial Navy. After today, I'm not sure the Federation Navy wouldn't be covering our flank as we proceeded.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-05-07 22:10:16 UTC
First and foremost I am saddened by this unnecessary loss of life.

Second, it is my opinion that as an Amarr loyalist this is not the time and place for me to call for any reconsideration of The Republic's place with the Concord charter.

However, I am interested in how Republic supports, loyalists and other capsuleers associating themselves with the Republic Freedom Fighter movement (if I may call it that), view this situation. Do they condone and approve of this action, or do they reject it, and what kind of measures do they think should be taken.

After all, the primary responsibility to clean their own house lies with them.



Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2013-05-07 22:30:29 UTC
CONCORD has shown themselves to be wholly ineffectual, so I don't see what difference it makes whether the Republic (or any of the great nations) remain signatories of CONCORD and the Yulai convention.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#10 - 2013-05-07 22:35:42 UTC
Perhaps CONCORD should Enact a De-Militarised Zone in Heimatar and Metropolis, where No Ship larger than a Reaper may be operated by a Government Entity, until such time as this Situation is calmed.

Any Intrusion by Other national forces would be in Breach of Treaty, and dealt with Severely.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#11 - 2013-05-07 22:38:55 UTC
I suppose we'll just have to wait for the Republic to try to invade the Caldari State as well before someone takes some proper action against it.

Some hundred years ago, people of new Eden set their differences aside and united to take down a power-crazy warmongering lunatic; those who don't learn from history are sadly doomed to repeat it.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-07 22:47:01 UTC
Considering Shakor's history with CONCORD, I'm surprised they haven't done anything.

Huhn. Did I just agree with Graelyn?

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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#13 - 2013-05-07 22:58:09 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Considering Shakor's history with CONCORD, I'm surprised they haven't done anything.

Huhn. Did I just agree with Graelyn?

It only feels dirty the first time.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#14 - 2013-05-07 23:22:13 UTC
It is remarkable how little CONCORD actually seems to do, these days; their intervention prevents high-security space from becoming a free fire zone, but only just.

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Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2013-05-08 00:08:15 UTC
Agreed. Yulai violations are not to be tolerated anymore.

However, your proposal is flawed. If such case were to happen, it would make the Republic completely helpless against any kind of external threat, including the Amarr Empire, that would be more or less free to do whatever they want considering that they would not be attacking a CONCORD signatory and member anymore.

My own petition is simple : the exact same one, with one more condition clearly stating that all Yulai signatories would be prohibited to engage in any hostile action in Republic space, except CONCORD itself.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#16 - 2013-05-08 04:50:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
That seems a sensible addendum.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2013-05-08 05:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edit: I see there is a better place for my comment.

I approve of Graelyn's suggestion. Though I doubt CONCORD is capable of acting on it.

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-05-08 06:39:44 UTC
The Shakorite regime occupying Pator is a cancer that must be removed.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-05-08 14:18:35 UTC
I agree with the suggestion, Maleatu Shakor is a problem for the cluster.

As for those claiming this opens the door to the Reclaiming, Heir Merimeth Sarum has called for it before the unfortunate events that lead to this call. And, in the past, the powers have had the power to ignore CONCORD everytime they want to, as the Republic has done again now. So I don't see how it changes anything to be or not a signatary of the Convention, specially for Shakor, who apparently likes to break those accords without any double thoughts.

So no, the Reclaiming isn't held back by CONCORD. It's held back because the Empress and other factions in the Empire don't want war, and as long as that remains such, the Imperial Navy will hold back. Lets hope it lasts.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-05-08 14:36:38 UTC
Your points will be dismissed out of hand simply due to who you are, Cardinal.

It is a shame. I am saddened that I must watch my errant ilk time and time again shed blood needlessly whilst hiding behind false promises, false treaties and false friendships.

I fear that it is at a great personal cost that I admit this. I find myself asking 'Who will intervene?' But then I invariably continue 'Why is there cause for an intervention?' And then, more and more often, I'm caught up to by the sickening feeling that my people would have been better off within the Empire.

But we were so stubborn...

... And now we have the Republic, who exist to embody that stubborn quality, and with precisely that will they shake this Cluster apart unless they are interdicted.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

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