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Siva Surya Kshatriya
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-10-11 06:37:25 UTC
Mara Abraham wrote:
Good day, Grizzwald:

Unless someone knows you, they don't know if you will be the one dishonoring a 1v1.

Personally, I follow and respect The Tusker Code where we don't accept 1v1's or offer them. That does not mean we don't solo, but we would rather find or be found for the fight.

That stated, getting solo fights depends a lot on what you are flying.

Last night I was in an Incursus, and a Dramiel pilot was complaining that Tuskers don't solo because I would not engage.

Thank you.


Weren't you the Tusker that kept asking me to fight your Taranis while I was roaming in my Dram? I asked you about your buddies right next door, and you said they wouldn't bother us... Though to be fair I guess, you never did explicitly call it a 1v1, just a fight...

And to the OP, you trippin son. I've had a decent amount of arranged 1v1 fights in Syndicate and Molden Heath, and so far everyone has honored their word.
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#22 - 2011-10-11 08:08:29 UTC
A 1v1 isn't a binding contract and you have to second guess the bads from the goods. If you have any suspicion whatsoever then either try to kill them despite their dishonour, or simply blueball them.

There is nothing more satisfying in eve than killing someone who tried to sneak in some backup and either killing everyone, or at least killing the bait and getting out alive ♥

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Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#23 - 2011-10-11 08:25:51 UTC
I don't 1vs1 often, but as my Bio states - I will honor a 1vs1 as long as you do. You break the 1vs1 all bets are off then it can escalate into a delicious gang pew pew. I always expect it to be a trap, cause you know - this is eve and all.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#24 - 2011-10-11 11:34:12 UTC
Grizzwald wrote:
Hi.

I'm just writing this thread to say how disappointing it is that no-one seems to honor 1v1's. I've challenged and have been challenged many times but very rarely, if the opposing party is at risk of losing have they been honoured. I for one will no longer accept any 1v1 offer made because of this constant lack of honor and deception.

I know there are many out there who are brave enough and headstrong enough to go through with their challenge even to the bitter end but I will never get the chance to fight them because of all the lamers.

So basically just wanted to say thx to all the cowards out there who are either too afraid of losing or just plain terrible and unable to get kills by using skill and knowledge as opposed to cheap tactics and for their disregard of what I thought was a pvp'ers unwritten code. But then maybe that's just Eve.

But anyway, it's so long 1v1's!, for me...

Grizz.



I'll be in Rens tonight 6 GMT+0 1v1 Frig if you want? I have No friends within Eve, Come get some! :D

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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#25 - 2011-10-11 16:24:32 UTC
I used to fight arranged 1v1 all the time but I recently stopped as they never seem as fun as "finding" **** to shoot. And also the last several I did participate in were not honored.

nom nom

ExiledMoon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2011-10-11 17:38:16 UTC
Obligatory 'Join Red Vs Blue' Bump.

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KFenn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2011-10-11 18:45:52 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
A 1v1 isn't a binding contract and you have to second guess the bads from the goods. If you have any suspicion whatsoever then either try to kill them despite their dishonour, or simply blueball them.

There is nothing more satisfying in eve than killing someone who tried to sneak in some backup and either killing everyone, or at least killing the bait and getting out alive ♥


This. If a 1v1 is dishonoured, try and kill the guy and get out. If you don't have enough time to kill him, just get out alive.

Failing both you could cry on the forums... owait.

Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade

Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#28 - 2011-10-12 08:32:57 UTC
It sounds like you are trying to get these fights in high sec. There is a reason all these guys are in high sec, and it isn't pvp.

Get your ass down to a FW zone and speak to guys in local there - most are experienced pvpers and are used to losing ships so less likely to panic and dishonour the 1v1. Obviously some will, but just make a note of the corp and move on.

You are less likely to get a 1v1 in larger ships, mostly because people are too wary to engage in a 3/4 minute fight with someone they don't already know as there is too much risk of scanning the fight down and warping in.

Fit yourself 50 or so ships that you want practice in - probably mostly frigs but a few cruisers would be ok. Think about what you are likely to engage and have different fits for all those fights. This means that you can quickly and easily ship into something that is optimally fit for the fight. Make sure theseships aren't more than 1 or 2 jumps from where you are looking to fight as people wil suspect a trap or get bored if they have to wait 10 minutes.

Booster alts are prevalent these days, always assume someone has one in system.
Killboards have much useful intel, if they have no solo kills, and are offering a 1v1 be suspicious.

Make sure you are in a fleet, and have boss so no one else can be invited.
Watch to check if they drop fleet so they can invite friends.
Use YOUR safespots (which of course you will have prepared in advance)
Make sure that whoever you are engaging has explicitly agreed to a 1v1.
Once they are dead, GTFO - the 1v1 is over and revenge may be warping into your safe.
Assume they will pod you as well.
Always GF and stay for a chat (safely docked) If you lost ask for advice, if you won offer commiserations - don't laugh at their noobfit.

You will then start to build a pool of people that remember you as a solo player and they are then less likely to tarp you.

Good systems to ask for a 1v1 in the Minnie area are Dal, Auga, Kourm, Huola and Arzad. Baby pies tend to live in Siseide, but treat with caution and ask for the fight in different system.

I am usually buzzing about in those areas and will happily give you a 1v1, as will many others.

Good luck and don't lose heart, you can still find adrenalin pvp (win or lose) if you just work for it.
Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-10-12 13:05:24 UTC
Good day, Siva Surya Kshatriya:

Yes, I was asking to fight your Dramiel in my Taranis. When you mentioned my buddies in Hevrice, we were in Costolle, two jumps away.

As I followed you around, you mentioned them in several locations; and my fellow Tuskers were all busy (I didn't even check for backup as I heard on vent and in corp chat they were doing this and that).

I did not ask for a duel or specifically state 1v1 even though I was solo. Just that I'm here, and willing to fight you if you would stop running.

While it would have been 1v1 on my part, it was not per-arranged or otherwise offered specifically.

Thank you.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#30 - 2011-10-12 17:19:17 UTC
You could find a handful of people in Arnon that are willing to honor 1v1 duels (although I don't know about the rest). I've been doing 1v1 duels there on some occasions. Of course, I have lost quite a bit of ships there simply because of a stupid move I did (forgetting to use the jetcans), terrible fit, or just outsmarted by the better pilot. Not exactly the sort of track record I was wanting to start with for an industry dude like me. But hey, it's a start. At the very least, I have had fair fights there. And yes, I have lost every time. But at least I learn.

Adapt or Die

Kinroi Alari
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#31 - 2011-10-12 18:40:28 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Specific to EVE you really ought to consider that if you're abandoning something that you prefer to do (honourable 1v1 space combat) because of the actions of others, then you are letting those faceless others ruin your game and dictate to you how you play it. I would humbly suggest that you adopt a different perspective.


Just wanted to say that this is the core to happiness in EVE (hell, real life, too).

And set your own goals: don't let others set yours.

That's also why I often blow off annoying forum posts / local chatter / what have you; I know that some people just see those arenas as yet another place to PVP. Getting annoyed just lets them count coup.

Anyhow, just wanted to say that Lyris Nairn's post was spot on. Smile


Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-10-12 21:27:09 UTC
Avernus Ravenwing wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Hello Grizzwald:

I used to do quite a lot of duels in Empire and lowsec. If you check my killboard data from a few years ago, you will find a lot of cruiser and frigate battles in Amarr, Youl, and the faction warfare zone of Devoid & The Bleak Lands. I speak from experience when I say that there are plenty of people out there who will honour duels. I also speak from experience when I say that there are plenty of people out there who just want to pad their killboard with another easy win. Just accept the fact that you take risk whenever you trust someone. This is true of real life as well as in EVE.

Specific to EVE you really ought to consider that if you're abandoning something that you prefer to do (honourable 1v1 space combat) because of the actions of others, then you are letting those faceless others ruin your game and dictate to you how you play it. I would humbly suggest that you adopt a different perspective. Rather than assuming that a duel will be honoured and then becoming upset when it is not, go into each duel with the understanding that there's a good chance it will not be honoured and then be pleasantly surprised if it is. Your angst-filled words on the forums will not change things for the better, either in your life or in your game play; but, a conscious choice by you to accept responsibility for your actions and choices can lead to you having a more realistic and positive outlook on the same data.


wow a goon who isnt hate trolling, i am pleasantly surprised. +1

There is actually a rule on our home forum (Something Awful) against trolling.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-10-12 21:27:49 UTC
Kinroi Alari wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Specific to EVE you really ought to consider that if you're abandoning something that you prefer to do (honourable 1v1 space combat) because of the actions of others, then you are letting those faceless others ruin your game and dictate to you how you play it. I would humbly suggest that you adopt a different perspective.


Just wanted to say that this is the core to happiness in EVE (hell, real life, too).

And set your own goals: don't let others set yours.

That's also why I often blow off annoying forum posts / local chatter / what have you; I know that some people just see those arenas as yet another place to PVP. Getting annoyed just lets them count coup.

Anyhow, just wanted to say that Lyris Nairn's post was spot on. Smile



Thanks for the endorsement! I try to be helpful when I can. Smile

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Jejju
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-10-13 12:24:54 UTC
This is a slight tangent, but I would like to ask people what the rules for a 1-on-1 should be. For me there is only one rule, that it has to be genuinely 1-on-1, that includes no booster alts. However, I have had 1-on-1's with people who thought there were more rules.

One guy told me I had dishoroured the 1-on-1 by using ECM drones. I agree that ECM is a crappy mechanism and that ECM drones are ghey / overpowered, but no ECM can't be a default 1-on-1 rule can it?

A harder issue is whether can you warp off if your opponent loses point. My view is that holding point is part of combat. When I agree to a 1-on-1 I agree to meet my opponent and engage within point range. If my opponent can't hold point, or doesn't even try to point me then I will warp off if I'm going to lose. (But I do sometimes feel a bit dirty doing itCry). What are people views on warping off?

Any other 1-on-1 rules?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#35 - 2011-10-13 12:45:53 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
You could find a handful of people in Arnon that are willing to honor 1v1 duels (although I don't know about the rest). I've been doing 1v1 duels there on some occasions. Of course, I have lost quite a bit of ships there simply because of a stupid move I did (forgetting to use the jetcans), terrible fit, or just outsmarted by the better pilot. Not exactly the sort of track record I was wanting to start with for an industry dude like me. But hey, it's a start. At the very least, I have had fair fights there. And yes, I have lost every time. But at least I learn.

Most people in Arnon who say they will honor 1v1s will honor 1v1s and theres always people there looking for a fight. That said don't just go taking cans there and expecting to get fair fights in return chances are if you take a random jetcane you're going to get a facefull of hurricanes, tengus or vindicators depending on whos can it is.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#36 - 2011-10-13 15:05:05 UTC
Jejju wrote:
This is a slight tangent, but I would like to ask people what the rules for a 1-on-1 should be. For me there is only one rule, that it has to be genuinely 1-on-1, that includes no booster alts. However, I have had 1-on-1's with people who thought there were more rules.

One guy told me I had dishoroured the 1-on-1 by using ECM drones. I agree that ECM is a crappy mechanism and that ECM drones are ghey / overpowered, but no ECM can't be a default 1-on-1 rule can it?

A harder issue is whether can you warp off if your opponent loses point. My view is that holding point is part of combat. When I agree to a 1-on-1 I agree to meet my opponent and engage within point range. If my opponent can't hold point, or doesn't even try to point me then I will warp off if I'm going to lose. (But I do sometimes feel a bit dirty doing itCry). What are people views on warping off?

Any other 1-on-1 rules?



I think you have the traditional rules right.

If you do not require the other guy to hold point you will end up fighting an active tanke punisher or merlin with a cap booster instead of a scram. Or you will get someone in a kestrel with missiles orbiting you at 35k. When you don't require a point the fits just become too stupid and unrealistic.

I don't want to waste time trying to figure out such unrealistic fits that will only work in duels.

As far as ecm I think its fair game, unless otherwise stated.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Kirith Vespira
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-10-13 15:10:39 UTC
Plenty of 1v1's to be found in FW and RvB... Yeah, you risk the usual fail blob, but such is life in intarwebz spaceships. As long as you're chasing killmails as many do, you'll have have to deal with the kids who think it's kewl to only enter fights where superiority is assured. There are plenty of us that don't play that way.
Dek'athor
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-10-27 05:30:37 UTC
Grizzwald wrote:
Hi.

I'm just writing this thread to say how disappointing it is that no-one seems to honor 1v1's. I've challenged and have been challenged many times but very rarely, if the opposing party is at risk of losing have they been honoured.
Grizz.


Steps to real 1v1:

1. go to system
2. make a few safe spots (look it up)
3. keep warping from safe-to-safe
4. issue/accept the challenge
5. when landing at the 'next' safe in the route fleet invite the 1v1 party
6. have him warp to you within 30 secs or re-set the invite (be aware of scanning)


this does the following:

*he doesn't get off-grid bonuses over you AND he can see it's a 1v1 (Local head count can confirm no other buddies/corpies of your own to set up a trap for him)
*he can't call his buddies (no way to giv'em a warp in spot)
*now it's a fight to the death

This is not 100% full proof but I reckon is as close as it gets.


Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#39 - 2011-11-03 00:20:15 UTC
The problem is you are asking for/taking offera for 1v1. If you hunt for 1v1 or roam the right areas you are more likely to find good solo pew pew
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-11-03 02:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Desudes
Bring friends ready to defend you and fly with/against ships people don't mind losing. The guy flying the pimp ship is usually more looking to gank, then the guy with his **** fit who just wants something to engage.

Personally I don't see much point in 1v1 in EVE as the gameplay is so slow, but I'd counter with being ready to have a good gang pewpew.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?

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