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I'll go there. Eve is not just a game.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#21 - 2013-05-05 23:19:34 UTC
eve is female (explains everything)

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#22 - 2013-05-06 01:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Ckra Trald wrote:
eve is a good place to show how humans act without laws


EVE is not just the absence of laws - it is also absence of good old-fashioned common sense.

Case in point - in EVE there are absolutely zero consequences to your actions. You can slaughter the Amarr by the thousands, becoming the epitome of a mass murderer. Then you run some missions, fork over some ISK for tags, etc., and boom, you're the beloved hero of the Amarr Imperium. So, puh-lease. EVE is a joke as long as there are no consequences to whatever you do. It'll be even worse come Odyssey, where you'll be able to farm/buy tags to fix your security status as well.


Kind of like O.J. Sympson or maybe Ted Kennedy in Chappaquiddick. There's consequences in Eve, and just like in RL you have common sense options about how to pay for them.
Coda Grimoire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-07 15:45:49 UTC
I was thinking about how many professions use computer simulators to train for RL work.

DUST and EVE will get space elevators. Just that makes me realize that as a community of gamers, we are also people who want to go out into space.

I supposed some people want to go out into space for real to kill other people. dunno.

I'm going with the EvE simulates some stuff people will be going through.

Thanks for the responses. Just checking...LOL
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#24 - 2013-05-07 15:57:05 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:


Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.



God I hope not. Who wan'ts the police insta-spawing right in front of them every time they light a Spliff?
Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
#25 - 2013-05-07 16:27:51 UTC
It's only a game. Sorry, but CCP is just like any other company, and they only want to make money.

Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#26 - 2013-05-07 16:44:38 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:
Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive the universe being completely filled with fluid.


Fixed.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-05-07 16:45:07 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:

Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.


Except the whole "can't travel faster than light" issue. Lots of pure fantasy ideas on how FTL travel "may" be possible, but all very quickly run into issues that it would take more energy than our som will produce in its entire existence.

EVE is not a dress rehearsal for anything. It is just a game.


Even if we could get to the moon or Mars, why would we want to? Low gravity will destroy our bodies and send us to an early grave. There aren't really any resources there that justify it. Heck, we haven't even come up with a good commercial use for a manned space station. NASA can't even come up with enough experiments to keep the international space station busy.

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#28 - 2013-05-07 16:58:24 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Coda Grimoire wrote:

Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.


Except the whole "can't travel faster than light" issue. Lots of pure fantasy ideas on how FTL travel "may" be possible, but all very quickly run into issues that it would take more energy than our som will produce in its entire existence.

EVE is not a dress rehearsal for anything. It is just a game.


Even if we could get to the moon or Mars, why would we want to? Low gravity will destroy our bodies and send us to an early grave. There aren't really any resources there that justify it. Heck, we haven't even come up with a good commercial use for a manned space station. NASA can't even come up with enough experiments to keep the international space station busy.



Because when the Lizardmen take over planet earth, only the Resistance living in Mars with the help of the Rigellians will be able to fight back against the usurpers of our planet, that´s why!

If you don´t find that reasonable enough, boy, you must be one of dem lizard supporters!

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-05-07 16:59:45 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Coda Grimoire wrote:

Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.


Except the whole "can't travel faster than light" issue. Lots of pure fantasy ideas on how FTL travel "may" be possible, but all very quickly run into issues that it would take more energy than our som will produce in its entire existence.

EVE is not a dress rehearsal for anything. It is just a game.


Even if we could get to the moon or Mars, why would we want to? Low gravity will destroy our bodies and send us to an early grave. There aren't really any resources there that justify it. Heck, we haven't even come up with a good commercial use for a manned space station. NASA can't even come up with enough experiments to keep the international space station busy.



You are just a BOWL of optimism ain't ya......

Look at it this way, if easy and reliable space flight were developed, you could join NASA and never leave, it would be like a real life NPC corp!, you'd love it!

Twisted
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-05-07 17:01:29 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Coda Grimoire wrote:

Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.


Except the whole "can't travel faster than light" issue. Lots of pure fantasy ideas on how FTL travel "may" be possible, but all very quickly run into issues that it would take more energy than our som will produce in its entire existence.

EVE is not a dress rehearsal for anything. It is just a game.


Even if we could get to the moon or Mars, why would we want to? Low gravity will destroy our bodies and send us to an early grave. There aren't really any resources there that justify it. Heck, we haven't even come up with a good commercial use for a manned space station. NASA can't even come up with enough experiments to keep the international space station busy.



Because when the Lizardmen take over planet earth, only the Resistance living in Mars with the help of the Rigellians will be able to fight back against the usurpers of our planet, that´s why!

If you don´t find that reasonable enough, boy, you must be one of dem lizard supporters!


Worse thing is dem lizards took our jobs!
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-05-07 18:13:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

You are just a BOWL of optimism ain't ya......

Look at it this way, if easy and reliable space flight were developed, you could join NASA and never leave, it would be like a real life NPC corp!, you'd love it!




It has nothing to do with optimism, and everything to do with understanding physics.


I'm all for doing difficult things, just because they are difficult, to push people to greater achievements.

In the days of Apollo, computers were the size of a room, and they needed to make one the size of a desk for the lunar capsule. NASA was willing to pay 100x as much for a transistor as anyone else, if it was small and light enough, resulting in the semiconductor, integrated circuit, and microchip revolution and bringing us into the information age. YEAH! Good stuff.

Pushing the edge of knowledge and technology is win.

But the key was, we knew it was scientifically possible. We just needed to figure out how to do it.


Artificial gravity, faster than light travel, keeping the human body from wasting away in low/now gravity environment... science tells us that these things are WAY beyond our current abilities, and likely will never be possible.


Given the constraints, why would people want to live on the moon, on Mars, or in space long term? What is there worth living there for?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#32 - 2013-05-07 18:20:54 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

You are just a BOWL of optimism ain't ya......

Look at it this way, if easy and reliable space flight were developed, you could join NASA and never leave, it would be like a real life NPC corp!, you'd love it!




It has nothing to do with optimism, and everything to do with understanding physics.


I'm all for doing difficult things, just because they are difficult, to push people to greater achievements.

In the days of Apollo, computers were the size of a room, and they needed to make one the size of a desk for the lunar capsule. NASA was willing to pay 100x as much for a transistor as anyone else, if it was small and light enough, resulting in the semiconductor, integrated circuit, and microchip revolution and bringing us into the information age. YEAH! Good stuff.

Pushing the edge of knowledge and technology is win.

But the key was, we knew it was scientifically possible. We just needed to figure out how to do it.


Artificial gravity, faster than light travel, keeping the human body from wasting away in low/now gravity environment... science tells us that these things are WAY beyond our current abilities, and likely will never be possible.


Given the constraints, why would people want to live on the moon, on Mars, or in space long term? What is there worth living there for?



Why? because it's there. Given a choice of living in low gravity and dying fairly young or going to Detroit and getting killed in a drive by TODAY, I'll waste away on the moon thankyouverymuch.

But yea, some things might not be possible or feasable, but keeping all our eggs in one fragile basket (Earth) isn't a great long term strategy either. Things like prolonged exposure to low gravity can be mitigated, things like super volcano eruptions and continent sized chucks of space rock hitting your planet....not so much.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-05-07 18:36:42 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

You are just a BOWL of optimism ain't ya......

Look at it this way, if easy and reliable space flight were developed, you could join NASA and never leave, it would be like a real life NPC corp!, you'd love it!




It has nothing to do with optimism, and everything to do with understanding physics.


I'm all for doing difficult things, just because they are difficult, to push people to greater achievements.

In the days of Apollo, computers were the size of a room, and they needed to make one the size of a desk for the lunar capsule. NASA was willing to pay 100x as much for a transistor as anyone else, if it was small and light enough, resulting in the semiconductor, integrated circuit, and microchip revolution and bringing us into the information age. YEAH! Good stuff.

Pushing the edge of knowledge and technology is win.

But the key was, we knew it was scientifically possible. We just needed to figure out how to do it.


Artificial gravity, faster than light travel, keeping the human body from wasting away in low/now gravity environment... science tells us that these things are WAY beyond our current abilities, and likely will never be possible.


Given the constraints, why would people want to live on the moon, on Mars, or in space long term? What is there worth living there for?




In the 1960s reaching the Moon was an idea... and then the dream realized when we landed on it.

Also, 60 years ago we did not even consider the thought of lassoing an asteroid let alone sending a remote control plane to go mine one (which is slated for the next 3 years from now).

And we do know FTL "is" possible, just not how to accomplish it. Remember, we also did not know that a human can go beyond the speed of sound at one point, let alone light.

It'll happen.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-05-07 18:41:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Coda Grimoire wrote:


Eve is our dress rehearsal for the future, should humanity survive.



God I hope not. Who wan'ts the police insta-spawing right in front of them every time they light a Spliff?


Pfft, a la Miniority Report, they'll show up before you decided you wanted to light it.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-05-07 18:54:13 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

In the 1960s reaching the Moon was an idea... and then the dream realized when we landed on it.


With rockets, we knew it could be done.

And today, we could land on mars and come back... but why? We wouldn't be pushing any new great boundaries of technology... only building a bigger, more expensive version of stuff we already know how to do.


Murk Paradox wrote:

Also, 60 years ago we did not even consider the thought of lassoing an asteroid let alone sending a remote control plane to go mine one (which is slated for the next 3 years from now).


This actually makes my point. With robot technology, why put humans on Mars?


Murk Paradox wrote:

And we do know FTL "is" possible, just not how to accomplish it. Remember, we also did not know that a human can go beyond the speed of sound at one point, let alone light.

It'll happen.


Malarkey.

Comparing speed of sound to the speed of light is silly. Things were traveling much faster than the speed of sound, LONG before humans figured out how to sweep an airplane's wings to dissipate the turbulence. The "sound barrier" was coined during WWII to describe the turbulence that buffeted a straight wing airplane, and caused the pilot to lose control of the stick. It took us less than 5 years from the coining of the term, to regularly blowing past it.

NOTHING, not even a massless photon of electo-magnetic pure energy can travel faster than light.

Sweeping a wing to dissipate compression turbulence at the speed of sound is NOTHING compared to violating the laws of conservation of energy and momentum that would be required for faster than light travel.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-05-07 19:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Look. EVE won't happen in real life, because space fascism will probaly take over meaning that laws would be quite more strict. Citizens will be genetically bread to be loyal and people who refused to accept the government will be space castrated and refused longevity treatment. The empire of man would stretch from one end of the galaxy to the next with every single citizen strictly following the law praising the benvolence of mankind's leadership (which is probaly an immortal all intelligent machine).

Outlaws will be purged with extreme prejudice.

Entire planets gassed with biochemical warfare and lit up like a sun with a million nuclear warheads.

Entire solar systems will have their sun snuffed out for a single disenting voice sending billions of souls to the void.

Any single act of revolution will be met with the most swiftest tolitarian measure.

No the future will not be lawless and full of space jerks. They would have been bread out and exterminated long before man left for the stars.

OH and this scenario is only if machines don't exterminate mankind as we know it.

Clones are still highly ineffecient. Flesh can never meet the speed and endurance of optical cpu technology. Maybe humans will be kept in a zoo for the spirit of things, but they might just have a digital representation.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#37 - 2013-05-07 20:05:18 UTC
Why would CCP be giving RL spaceflight guys free access to their Submarine warfare simulator?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Skorpynekomimi
#38 - 2013-05-07 20:17:49 UTC
It's not a game. It's an addiction. I'm trapped and can't bear the thought of being away from it.

Economic PVP
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#39 - 2013-05-07 21:22:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Its just a game, but no one ever said games couldn't be submerged in causality.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-05-07 21:44:24 UTC
Flying around in EVE space is fun - while sitting at my computer.

RL Space is a bit chilly and apparently its quite hard to breathe.
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