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Just Another Work Around for Gankers in Hi Sec

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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#41 - 2013-05-07 13:28:53 UTC
Mike Mulder wrote:
I might be a noob, but I'm pretty sure that 2nd kill mail is a fake (not API verified), as the poster of it even hints at.

Again, I might be a noob, but I haven't seen any dedicated gankers that give a rat's ass about their security status, and, in fact, wear their -10 sec status proudly. IMO the main purchaser/farmer of these tags will be non criminal low sec PvPers.


I've killed similarly really bad fits with a rifter before. I don't doubt that that is a real KM, even if it's not API verified.

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Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-05-07 13:53:41 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:
It does not matter what i say in any case. Most of you seem to have temper tantrums when you don't like someone's opinion or comments, and if some of you don't have temper tantrums, you're completely disrepectful, rude ***holes. Then again, that's probably why the world will never have peace in any way at all. No respect or tolerance for anyone else.

Makes no difference whether this is game related or not. A simple show of respect and respecting someone's thought's and ideas cannot kill you.


Yea I had a few pithy remarks for this one but I'm going to be nice here. Good deed for the day, gotta wrack up that karma for the next time I jump into a bubbled gate.

Firstly, you specifically came onto the forum for pirates and gankers and complained about a change that is positive for them. I'm curious what response you expected on an internet forum? Did you really think it would be "Good show, good sir, I must say that although I disagree with your point of view I certainly respect you for stating it!" Because if that's what you expected it would seem your knowledge of the internet is lacking. If I got upset every time someone insulted me on the internet being upset is pretty much all I'd do.

Secondly, your problem is that when faced with changes that make your life difficult instead of finding a way to adjust your tactics to overcome them, you look to CCP to fix things for you. That's not a good way to look at things. EvE changes all the time. Some of those changes will make your life easier, some harder and some just different. If your first response to the ones that make life harder is demand they be reversed, you won't accomplish much.

What are expecting to happen when the change goes live? All mining and hauling in high-sec is going to shut down? Not likely. That means other players figured out how to deal with it. I'm sure if you take the time you can figure it out too. Although honestly as I stated before, you actually won't have to do anything you haven't had to do before.

Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-05-07 14:22:26 UTC
Friggz wrote:
...Good deed for the day, gotta wrack up that karma for the next time I jump into a bubbled gate...
Good post.

Steffi Glitterfluff
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-05-07 16:08:51 UTC
LOL @ all of you guys
this person been forcing his "hello kitty online themepark idea" into CCP for months now
go check his past post/forumthread, this not the first time his whining

"I have had a few discussions with GM's that clearly don't care much about the opinions of players, and the fact that they contradict their own rules. " - from few months back thread that he made.

Really??? , which dev actualy willing to sit with him - either a troll or really ******** person .... mentioned so many facts but shows none sofar
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#45 - 2013-05-07 16:15:15 UTC
Steffi Glitterfluff wrote:
Really??? , which dev actualy willing to sit with him - either a troll or really ******** person .... mentioned so many facts but shows none sofar


I'll skip over your atrocious grammar and let you in on a little secret: DEVs and GMs are not the same thing. One is blue and the other is red.

And now I want to see an episode of Red Vs. Blue done CCP style.

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Steffi Glitterfluff
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-05-07 16:20:00 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Steffi Glitterfluff wrote:
Really??? , which dev actualy willing to sit with him - either a troll or really ******** person .... mentioned so many facts but shows none sofar


I'll skip over your atrocious grammar and let you in on a little secret: DEVs and GMs are not the same thing. One is blue and the other is red.

And now I want to see an episode of Red Vs. Blue done CCP style.


yah english not my first langauge ,
but still, wondering why people still trying to argue with this person over and over
Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#47 - 2013-05-07 16:30:50 UTC
All those going nuts over these tags are real tagnuts.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

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Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#48 - 2013-05-07 16:41:18 UTC
Kimo Khan wrote:
Problem with your rant: Most High sec gankers keep their -10 status and still gank in high sec with that -10 status. Why would they grind or pay for tags, they don't need them.

The Reaper J wrote:
It does not matter what i say in any case. Most of you seem to have temper tantrums when you don't like someone's opinion or comments, and if some of you don't have temper tantrums, you're completely disrepectful, rude ***holes. Then again, that's probably why the world will never have peace in any way at all. No respect or tolerance for anyone else.

Makes no difference whether this is game related or not. A simple show of respect and respecting someone's thought's and ideas cannot kill you.


Put yours and my quote together for clarity.

1. I see no disrespect in my rebuttal. I even checked the word rant on dictionary.com and it fits the definition of what you originally posted.
2. I see no temper tantrum in my rebuttal, I just stated that -10 sec status does not deter gankers.
Kristopher Rocancourt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-05-07 16:58:59 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:
Should have seen this coming......allowing hi sec gankers that committed the crimes to work their way back into hi sec safely so they can go and gank more players, by giving them the means to do so. WOW. Unbelievable. The idea is that if they commit the crime, do the time.

Don't go and give them easy ways out. Now there is no point to mining, industry, or anything. They will just gank, go to low sec, collect tags, give to concord, and then come back to hi sec and gank again, OMG, that is the most ridiculous update i have ever seen.

What about the players they gank? The excuse ccp uses is that people will rather stop playing than grind their way back up in security status. That is bull. Then if that's the case, remove hi sec space. There is no point to it. As gankers will be much more, there is no reforming a gank. There is a very well known phrase, "do the crime, do the time". Grinding their way up is the time they doing for being stupid enough to do the crime. Doing that update is just another loophole for things to kill even the noobs in hi sec space, and easily find a way back to hi sec after doing a crime.

This is just another way to show ccp rather support crime. Hey what the heck. So what.

I VOTE REMOVE HIGH SEC SPACE......hahahaha.....that could be good fun.



please point on the little butthurt pod doll where the bad bad piwates touched you.

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Seraphina Bibbs
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#50 - 2013-05-07 18:29:42 UTC
Came for tears.

Left rejuvenated... and satisfied.

Thank you OP.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#51 - 2013-05-07 18:34:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
OP, this is probably not the game you are looking for, judging by your bio you'd be much happier playing X3 or Star Citizen if it ever sees the light of day.

Sec4tags won't be used by highsec gankers, the -10 and shiny red status in local are worn with pride. You seem to have failed to realise that Eve is a game that is extremely competitive, and where suiciding people is just another way of doing business, it's a fun way of doing so, especially when people fly abominations, sometimes it's even lucrative if the loot fairy is in a good mood.

Highsec is currently safer than it has been at any time in the past, for example CCP have stated that the destruction of mining vessels is currently at an historic low. Gankers have been nerfed time and time again by changes to game mechanics that have favoured "unwilling combatants", they have had to adapt to all these changes to carry on with the way that they choose to play, it's about time that they got a little love from CCP.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just as we are entitled to make fun of you because of it.

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Andrea Griffin
#52 - 2013-05-08 04:14:19 UTC
I do find the "Tags 4 Sec" program to be pretty funny. The professional suicide gankers are already -10 and are quite able to work around the limitations of that. The pirates in lowsec just don't care. I have one such dastardly character. The effect of having a -10 sec status? Very close to zero. Why spend the money and time bumping up sec status when it doesn't matter?

Those who will benefit from the ability to purchase security status seem to be a pretty small group. I guess if you bought a character, maybe? I dunno.
The Reaper J
Kings.Guard.
#53 - 2013-05-08 06:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: The Reaper J
Friggz wrote:
The Reaper J wrote:
It does not matter what i say in any case. Most of you seem to have temper tantrums when you don't like someone's opinion or comments, and if some of you don't have temper tantrums, you're completely disrepectful, rude ***holes. Then again, that's probably why the world will never have peace in any way at all. No respect or tolerance for anyone else.

Makes no difference whether this is game related or not. A simple show of respect and respecting someone's thought's and ideas cannot kill you.


Yea I had a few pithy remarks for this one but I'm going to be nice here. Good deed for the day, gotta wrack up that karma for the next time I jump into a bubbled gate.

Firstly, you specifically came onto the forum for pirates and gankers and complained about a change that is positive for them. I'm curious what response you expected on an internet forum? Did you really think it would be "Good show, good sir, I must say that although I disagree with your point of view I certainly respect you for stating it!" Because if that's what you expected it would seem your knowledge of the internet is lacking. If I got upset every time someone insulted me on the internet being upset is pretty much all I'd do.

Secondly, your problem is that when faced with changes that make your life difficult instead of finding a way to adjust your tactics to overcome them, you look to CCP to fix things for you. That's not a good way to look at things. EvE changes all the time. Some of those changes will make your life easier, some harder and some just different. If your first response to the ones that make life harder is demand they be reversed, you won't accomplish much.

What are expecting to happen when the change goes live? All mining and hauling in high-sec is going to shut down? Not likely. That means other players figured out how to deal with it. I'm sure if you take the time you can figure it out too. Although honestly as I stated before, you actually won't have to do anything you haven't had to do before.



Thank you for at least respectfully discussing it, although a very small part of it sounds a little sarcastic. But its all good. I do agree with you that hauling and all won't stop. I was also not calling for that update to be reversed. I know that maybe sometimes after i have posted something, it kind of does sound stupid, but can bear some light on other facts if looked deeper into it. Many of you forget one detail that is a huge factor, you all started this game somewhere from the beginning. I am learning a lot. There is a hell of a lot to learn. That i know, but the least i ask is a little respect when trying to discuss something. Not have to deal with a bunch of ***holes with god complexes.

I have already been suspended from my corp for a while to cool off. Yes, like i just said, suspended. Roland has been a royal pain in the a**. So laugh it up.

One thing that troubles me a lot. That each time we went after a war dec party, then one of our members got dc'd as we engaged. This has only happened every time we engaged in a pvp battle. Now, obviously everyone would say we got crappy connections. I would say wrong, as i personally have been dc'd a few times, and i have had to pay my service provider to make 100% sure that all the lines are working and even come out to the premises to check the lines and find out where there may be a fault, and they found nothing. We are losing ships due to vital members being dc'd every time we go into a pvp battle, and its only happening with this damn pvp battles when we hunt the war dec party.

I used a different router, a different machine, and a laptop to be absolutely sure its not from our side. Now please explain why you think i am hating ccp so much? (rhetorical) Yes i am getting pissed off at times, but what would you do? Laugh at it? Especially after constantly being dc'd or a vital member of your fleet being dc'd when you attack a war dec party. It begins to feel like ccp members or friends of ccp members are getting them to interfere. Not saying they are, but after all that has happened. What would you think? The pattern is becoming too suspicious to ignore.

The other original point. No, do not reverse the updates that i stated earlier, maybe change it up a little. Criminals do the crime and then must do the time. Ganking is going to continue, no doubt about that. Crime is the only way in eve. However, if that's the case, then players that did the crime should be concorded the moment they drop out of any hi sec station until they fix their security status or whatever. That would then be doing the time for the crime then. I would say that being able to fly in hi sec for for a while before concord actually shoots your ship is not doing time. They should be concorded instantly in hi sec space if they committed a crime. That way it would also make the criminals do their time for the crime they did. I am not saying remove all the criminals abilities. I am saying balance it out a little. Otherwise what is the point to hi sec, besides training noobs or a few thousand new account from veteran players. A little balancing would be beneficial to everyone. Not just one career type.
The Reaper J
Kings.Guard.
#54 - 2013-05-08 06:49:05 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
OP, this is probably not the game you are looking for, judging by your bio you'd be much happier playing X3 or Star Citizen if it ever sees the light of day.

Sec4tags won't be used by highsec gankers, the -10 and shiny red status in local are worn with pride. You seem to have failed to realise that Eve is a game that is extremely competitive, and where suiciding people is just another way of doing business, it's a fun way of doing so, especially when people fly abominations, sometimes it's even lucrative if the loot fairy is in a good mood.

Highsec is currently safer than it has been at any time in the past, for example CCP have stated that the destruction of mining vessels is currently at an historic low. Gankers have been nerfed time and time again by changes to game mechanics that have favoured "unwilling combatants", they have had to adapt to all these changes to carry on with the way that they choose to play, it's about time that they got a little love from CCP.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just as we are entitled to make fun of you because of it.


Well. I was not saying that hi sec gankers were ever going to die off. I merely....omg i am not going to explain it again. Read my other post reply, and of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, i never said anyone is not allowed an opnion. The least anyone can do is have respect. A lot of the time the way people talk here seems to sound a lot like the way they run their daily lives. A little respect goes a long way. But then again, their is not medication for ***holes in the world now days. Its just another thing that happens.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-05-08 08:40:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Marksalot
The Reaper J wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
OP, this is probably not the game you are looking for, judging by your bio you'd be much happier playing X3 or Star Citizen if it ever sees the light of day.

Sec4tags won't be used by highsec gankers, the -10 and shiny red status in local are worn with pride. You seem to have failed to realise that Eve is a game that is extremely competitive, and where suiciding people is just another way of doing business, it's a fun way of doing so, especially when people fly abominations, sometimes it's even lucrative if the loot fairy is in a good mood.

Highsec is currently safer than it has been at any time in the past, for example CCP have stated that the destruction of mining vessels is currently at an historic low. Gankers have been nerfed time and time again by changes to game mechanics that have favoured "unwilling combatants", they have had to adapt to all these changes to carry on with the way that they choose to play, it's about time that they got a little love from CCP.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just as we are entitled to make fun of you because of it.


Well. I was not saying that hi sec gankers were ever going to die off. I merely....omg i am not going to explain it again. Read my other post reply, and of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, i never said anyone is not allowed an opnion. The least anyone can do is have respect. A lot of the time the way people talk here seems to sound a lot like the way they run their daily lives. A little respect goes a long way. But then again, their is not medication for ***holes in the world now days. Its just another thing that happens.



It's hard for us to 'respect' your 'opinion' on game mechanics when you don't seem to have a basic understanding of them. Or computers, apparently. (CCP is directly targeting your terrible little mining corp because they want you to lose all of your fights. It's the fault of the devs.)

You're also whiny as hell.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-05-08 08:41:18 UTC
Reaper, even this guy is making fun of you. Stop.
Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:
The Reaper J wrote:
Should have seen this coming......allowing hi sec gankers that committed the crimes to work their way back into hi sec safely so they can go and gank more players, by giving them the means to do so. WOW. Unbelievable. The idea is that if they commit the crime, do the time.

Don't go and give them easy ways out. Now there is no point to mining, industry, or anything. They will just gank, go to low sec, collect tags, give to concord, and then come back to hi sec and gank again, OMG, that is the most ridiculous update i have ever seen.

What about the players they gank? The excuse ccp uses is that people will rather stop playing than grind their way back up in security status. That is bull. Then if that's the case, remove hi sec space. There is no point to it. As gankers will be much more, there is no reforming a gank. There is a very well known phrase, "do the crime, do the time". Grinding their way up is the time they doing for being stupid enough to do the crime. Doing that update is just another loophole for things to kill even the noobs in hi sec space, and easily find a way back to hi sec after doing a crime.

This is just another way to show ccp rather support crime. Hey what the heck. So what.

I VOTE REMOVE HIGH SEC SPACE......hahahaha.....that could be good fun.



please point on the little butthurt pod doll where the bad bad piwates touched you.



Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-05-08 08:47:07 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
I do find the "Tags 4 Sec" program to be pretty funny. The professional suicide gankers are already -10 and are quite able to work around the limitations of that. The pirates in lowsec just don't care. I have one such dastardly character. The effect of having a -10 sec status? Very close to zero. Why spend the money and time bumping up sec status when it doesn't matter?

Those who will benefit from the ability to purchase security status seem to be a pretty small group. I guess if you bought a character, maybe? I dunno.


It could prove useful to me depending on how CCP balances it~
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2013-05-08 09:17:58 UTC
Op shoots over the target
or
better
well...

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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2013-05-08 10:27:22 UTC
OK I will try not to be disrespectful.

Deep breath.

Count/accusation 1. "you have all been here since near the beginning"

This is largely untrue. While I can only speak for myself I have been playing for much less than 3 of the ten years of eve. Furthermore the game mechanics are completely different in most regards than (just) those three years ago. To survive in eve one has to be willing to constantly do their homework (or find someone who does and BELIEVE THEM). Otherwise, you will find what was good last patch has been changed nerfed or (most commonly) countered.

2. "You are all ***hole sociopathic etc"
Please remember you came to this forum. Started this thread. And began with a highly belligerent manor to tell us all that we are being given some kind of game changing advantage. You did this without understanding the mechanics firstly nor understanding that until release who knows how these tags will be applied. Then for extra insult you claim that this is all the worse without understanding this is the most safe it has ever been for new players.

3) "CCP causes disconnect on every fight"
Finally, there is a very likely real cause for this. And it has nothing at all to do with your internet. Most likely you have a very poorly setup over view. Given that most WD targets are going to be in trade hubs I imagine you are trying to fight there. But even a busy mission hub will be similar. When you launch drones and engage targets your overview can become flooded and can in extreme cases cause client side lag. As a result of the client being less stable the program can close the sockets or what ever. Believe it or not this USED to be a valid tactic. In times before mine you could spam a target with chat requests and lag them out.

In closing if you are looking to understand and ask questions, try to show the same respect you demand in the first place. Know just who you are talking to. And if you are going to make wild claims expect to be expected to back them against all comers.



TL:DR Attempt to politely tell OP he started with whining and then felt attacked. Tried to offer solutions to connectivity in combat issues that do not require a t
Anh teritz Tobal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-05-08 11:18:53 UTC
I have noticed here that there is some doubt to the utility of these Tags. I can see one use.

I am a high sec carebear, but there are a few people I meet who I feel deserve Ganking. I have the tools but grinding sec status in highsec is harder I believe than in Low or Null. If I could just buy my sec status back up it would be convenient. So tags for sec would definitely have a place for the weekend pirate.

I therefore politely suggest that Tags4Sec could well make high sec more dangerous and perhaps engender a wider understanding of the pirate lifestyle..