Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think its strange we get hulkaggedon and burn jita type events but never a make it safe event eh?

You know, when the Battle for Caldari Prime thing happened there was something said about things changing with the caldari breaking the pact with CONCORD or something to that effect. Maybe there is already stuff in the works to this effect. Maybe it's sooner than expected :)

I've never really known why the highsec empires needed to border one another. The area people do FW in is pretty small too.

I really like the idea of CCP grabbing the four corners of the Empire Space and ripping them apart leaving a ton of lo-sec regions between them.

As a concession I wouldn't mind the radius of the region gates to be made a little bigger - or more region gates to be put up into this new dead man's land. Amamake and Rancer aren't fun - It's kinda "Yeah, I get it" - but meh. There's something about Rancer that is just naff - whereas me losing my massive freighter off of Atlar was kinda fun (in a morbid way) it was a chase of sorts.

And my story of losing that freighter is a case-in-point of why splitting the empires up would be good. My Freighter was on it's way to the Orien Island of High-sec southeast of the Minnie High Sec. It WAS worth the risk - I'd done similar stuff before - in Amamake - risk/reward - read the EVE Kill comments on that kill - Turn Left are ace PVP'ers and I still nearly got my Freighter away!! We play games for fun - and that was fun - the chase had my heart rate up a fair bit. Afterwards loads of people started turning up to see if they could get the lootz too - dunno if there were any fights over it.

So yeah - Split up empire space - Go for it!

This idea gets GG's stamp of approval.

Getting players to actually be sitting at thier computer instead of afking freighters all day making abundant amounts of isk would probably reduce suicide ganking a bit as well. This would also encourage newer players to experience low sec space while exploring different faction space without forcing them to PvP. Its reasonably easy to get through low sec in a frigate.

Although I can see the argument pop up about how easy it is to lose implants via being podded for less experienced pilots and that high sec players shouldnt be forced to use empty clones or update clones when something goes wrong because they're unsure how to get away in their pod quickly

Agreed

You do get a warning when you enter low sec anyways.

Oh look, your alt thinks it's a good idea. And lol @ "escort."

Yeah? No one cares.

Do you want to get some super awesome tears from a nearly endless source of carebears? Go into an anom system in nullsec (Military 5) with a cloaky. Watch as the tears stream in from all the nullbears, mainly because they can't run their bots or anoms. Nullsec anom systems are quite possibly the biggest concentration of carebears in EVE.

You keep having to say it because your reasons are note very good. You've already admitted that this goal of this is to reduce trade. One outcome might be that even more is concentrated in Jita than prior to this change. I've noted way back up stream I used to do invention and manufacturing. I did it in Gallente space. After this change I'd have incentive to pick up shop and move it if I could (and if I considered) it still profitable enough (this one is questionable--invention is click intensive and boring).

Of course not everyone would move, but Jita is already the main trade hub. Would this change break that? IDK, but null sec people might still want to use it (maybe Amarr for people in the south).



Or not. If everyone lived there, there would also be higher demand. Thus it is possible prices might not change, could be higher or could be lower. You really make yourself look foolish with the statements couched in absolute certainty. You don't know what the **** would happen. Neither do I, but I admit it.



It depends on the demand doesn't it. Sure a T1 blaster might cost 3x what it does in Gallente space vs. Jita post change, but if I can't even sell enough to earn the same profit as I could selling a larger batch in Jita at a lower price/gun...why bother? Price isn't everything. Price changes tell you where to re-allocate resources. To take an extreme example, prices, after a disaster, for things like water and canned goods sky rocket. Why? That is the market "saying"--"Hey, over here we have considerably shortages and unsatisfied demand; send lots more stuff ASAP." You can also see it with monopolists. A monopolist could maximize the price he charges. Do monopolists do this? No.



Exactly why the change you've been pimping might not work. You've finally admitted it. Players like having a super-hub. After this change, they might still like having a super-hub and this may do nothing to stop that. At best it might make a second super-hub (Amarr). Might it be at the expense of Jita? Possibly, but it could very well be at the expense of Rens and Dodixie.

>Says no one cares, then proceeds to ramble off topic about something people care less about.

A super hub is only possible due to how trivial it is to travel to.
If i make things, and I load them into the freighter to take them to market, will I move them to dodixie which is 3 jumps away, or Jita.
Jita will only take my freighter an extra hour to get to and a fraction of the time to sell my wares, obviously I will go to Jita.

If low sec was in the way, I would not do this.

If everyone wanted to move to caldari space to build things, then all station slots would be eternally buttraped, you would never get a que.
You would make no money mining ice because the ice belts would all be instantly mined (ice anoms coming soon)
You would make less money running missions because their is only so much demand for caldari navy invulns.
You would make less money doing incursions because they are often not in caldari space.
You would make less money selling pvp items to the other factions militias.
You would make less mining belts because they would be stripped down even faster.
You would make less money doing exploration because of competition.

All of these are reasons not to live in caldari space, so the likelihood of people not selling things in jita, is greater then everyone living out of jita.

The possibility of jita becoming a bigger hub is probably one of the least likely of all the possible outcomes of this change.