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Mystery solved. Why stealthbombers and torpedo's/missiles suck. AND proving CCP doesnt know Geom

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Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-05-07 14:51:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lhucian Dark
Unit757 wrote:
You should probably go see a doctor

/agreed

i was dumb enough to get married at one point.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-05-07 14:58:16 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Not sure if trolling, but whatever

You do know that the explosion radius looks at the ships signature radius, not the actual length of the ship, right?



however, i will give you the benefit of the doubt, Using maelstrom for example as the target.


1484 ship length, with a 460m sig radius. or a scorp
828 ship lenght, with a 480 sig radius.

a 450m Javenlin torpedo will NOT do full dmg to a scorpion of 828 ship length. it just wont. and the sig radius is bigger than the maelstrom. that stated, the small ammo, is designed to hunt battleships that arent too small. which is most, if not all, (i cannot ever, nor will, say for certain i claim to know ccp's math, but i can tell when its wrong. as we all can. sense we're on the receiving end of the blow.)

and that means a Rage torpedo is designed to hit 2 things. capital ships, and large structures. with a defense equivalent to a potato chip


this is also "if" your target is not moving, its bad enough the explosion velocity is also wrongly calculated. er let me reword this.
the compensation skills for explosion velocity and signature do not mitigate it for a moving target, for example a 50% web combined with a skill of either target painting 50% (just for ***** and grins..) or guided missile precision, which doesnt effect torps cuz its dumbfire, does not. exceed the targets size to stay in range of the explosion long enough.

the math on the whole thing is horrible.



All missile skills effect all missiles, this was changed.

Javelin with max skills has something like 337m exp. rad., and 103 exp. vel. Fit a web, problem solved.


Edit - Are you on something?

yes, im editing spelling. thanx for noticing :D trolling are we? :P

anways, there is 1 way, it can be corrected. first i will say this.

i promise you a pellet from a pellet gun travels faster than 61m/s.
turrets calculate this at the rate of 100% provided the tracking is on target.

and thus,
the explosive radius would be balanced if the explosive velocity was instant as is all other weapons.
and as... it already is.

sorry explosive velocity is a joke, it never realy existed in the first place as the dmg is calculated instantly. that said, we go back to square one. damn i just had to give a lesson in missiles/torps....

a 700dps ship with appropriate target of other weapons will do 700dps.
a 700 dps missile/torp ship will not do appropriate dmg, on both
tracking versus targets velocity
sig radius and explosive velocity

both moving and non moving.


they are not equivalent, because someone jacked there math up
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-05-07 15:09:41 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Not sure if trolling, but whatever

You do know that the explosion radius looks at the ships signature radius, not the actual length of the ship, right?



however, i will give you the benefit of the doubt, Using maelstrom for example as the target.


1484 ship length, with a 460m sig radius. or a scorp
828 ship lenght, with a 480 sig radius.

a 450m Javenlin torpedo will NOT do full dmg to a scorpion of 828 ship length. it just wont. and the sig radius is bigger than the maelstrom. that stated, the small ammo, is designed to hunt battleships that arent too small. which is most, if not all, (i cannot ever, nor will, say for certain i claim to know ccp's math, but i can tell when its wrong. as we all can. sense we're on the receiving end of the blow.)

and that means a Rage torpedo is designed to hit 2 things. capital ships, and large structures. with a defense equivalent to a potato chip


this is also "if" your target is not moving, its bad enough the explosion velocity is also wrongly calculated. er let me reword this.
the compensation skills for explosion velocity and signature do not mitigate it for a moving target, for example a 50% web combined with a skill of either target painting 50% (just for ***** and grins..) or guided missile precision, which doesnt effect torps cuz its dumbfire, does not. exceed the targets size to stay in range of the explosion long enough.

the math on the whole thing is horrible.



All missile skills effect all missiles, this was changed.

Javelin with max skills has something like 337m exp. rad., and 103 exp. vel. Fit a web, problem solved.


Edit - Are you on something?

i do use a web, 55% reduction.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-05-07 15:11:35 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
It wouldn't be scifi without pi.

plz dont be bait for trolls. your hair is already in your face and you made a rhyming comment. dont make me do an emo joke.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-07 15:12:16 UTC
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Hakaimono wrote:
It wouldn't be scifi without pi.

plz dont be bait for trolls. your hair is already in your face and you made a rhyming comment. dont make me do an emo joke.

/wrist


^ too late.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-05-07 15:16:38 UTC



All missile skills effect all missiles, this was changed.

Javelin with max skills has something like 337m exp. rad., and 103 exp. vel. Fit a web, problem solved.


Edit - Are you on something?[/quote]


you know i might be.
im just doing /info on the damn ammo.... which thinking about that.... might not be updated to me or my skills....

which would invalidate everything i just ranted on if my skills/implants werent taken into consideration....
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-05-07 15:19:33 UTC
Meditril wrote:
1. StealthBombers are great when shooting BC and upwards.
2. Signature Radius has nothing to do with the ships geometry size. It is just an artificial number saying how "large" the ships signature is on the "radar" screen.
3. Train Missile Precision skills they reduce signature of your Torps by 25%.
4. If still not enough, install Target Painters on your ship.
5. Stop whining. And adapt. Torpedos are not intended to be used against frigates.

missile precision 5 and 2 t2 painters :p
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-05-07 15:19:35 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
You should probably go see a doctor

I should buy an Ishtar.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-05-07 15:23:33 UTC
Lhucian Dark wrote:



All missile skills effect all missiles, this was changed.

Javelin with max skills has something like 337m exp. rad., and 103 exp. vel. Fit a web, problem solved.


Edit - Are you on something?



you know i might be.
im just doing /info on the damn ammo.... which thinking about that.... might not be updated to me or my skills....

which would invalidate everything i just ranted on if my skills/implants werent taken into consideration....[/quote]
well... im partially wrong... Big smile

okay stats are as follows for javelin's "for me"

363m xplosive radius
167(and change) for velocity


apparently i gave the "raw" stats of the torps.


and for rage it is as follows:

625xplosive radius

144xplosive velocity
Tashima
Clandestine Services
#30 - 2013-05-07 15:26:57 UTC
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Tashima wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
not sure if trolling...


okay, trolling happens alot on the internet right? yes.
was this trolling? no.

You do understand that if one have to either come across as a troll or a complete tool, any normal person would rather be the troll, right?

Unless you're actually trolling when you say you're not a troll... so I guess.. just disregard my point.

you know how i know your a teenager (now im trolling)

cuz you think life has 2 options.

sorry son its more complicated than that,

"ill tell you when your older." - your mom

You're (!) right. There is a third option, you're a trolling complete tool.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-05-07 15:27:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lhucian Dark
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:



All missile skills effect all missiles, this was changed.

Javelin with max skills has something like 337m exp. rad., and 103 exp. vel. Fit a web, problem solved.


Edit - Are you on something?



you know i might be.
im just doing /info on the damn ammo.... which thinking about that.... might not be updated to me or my skills....

which would invalidate everything i just ranted on if my skills/implants werent taken into consideration....

well... im partially wrong... Big smile

okay stats are as follows for javelin's "for me"

363m xplosive radius
167(and change) for velocity


apparently i gave the "raw" stats of the torps.


and for rage it is as follows:

625xplosive radius

144xplosive velocity
[/quote]
it still does not change the fact that velocity is a joke. you wanna wait 4-5 sec for an explosion to get done doing dmg?


okay say you trust ccp's missile xplosion calculation...
i want you, In Real Life take a bomb, rated by ccp as having 30m/s xplosive velocity, radius not mattering for this point. continuing.

would you. stand, next to a shielded wall, click a button, set this bomb off 30meters away from you, having 1 full second to get behind this wall?

no? okay. why not? cuz its calculated instantly, and thats the reason for xplosive radius. one lie needs the other to work.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-05-07 15:33:37 UTC
Tashima wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Tashima wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
not sure if trolling...


okay, trolling happens alot on the internet right? yes.
was this trolling? no.

You do understand that if one have to either come across as a troll or a complete tool, any normal person would rather be the troll, right?

Unless you're actually trolling when you say you're not a troll... so I guess.. just disregard my point.

you know how i know your a teenager (now im trolling)

cuz you think life has 2 options.

sorry son its more complicated than that,

"ill tell you when your older." - your mom

You're (!) right. There is a third option, you're a trolling complete tool.

listen, you be luke and ill be obi wan. the force (life) is mysterious (action = consequence)

you are saying there are only 3 actions to make your 3 options.

GEE IF LIFE WERE THAT EASY....
.

meanwhile back to the "ill tell you when your older" comment.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2013-05-07 15:38:40 UTC
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Hakaimono wrote:
It wouldn't be scifi without pi.

plz dont be bait for trolls. your hair is already in your face and you made a rhyming comment. dont make me do an emo joke.

/wrist


^ too late.


CCP,

Please lock for ranting and making light of suicide
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-05-07 15:39:04 UTC


"ill tell you when your older." - your mom[/quote]
You're (!) right. There is a third option, you're a trolling complete tool.[/quote]


tool no, ive done toolish things yes, but not a tool.
figure out wtf i just said, and you win a prize.

living under... (pick a nation) a nation, one always does toolish things. but does not have to be a tool (of the residing nation)
that said.


your a broken record dude, who recycles jokes.
i bet its the only thing you get to say and most people dont reply about. thats why you post them.


you expect this"
your a tool-guy
no your a tool-bro
no no your moms a tool-pal
im not your tool bro
im not your pal bro
im not your guy buddy
im not your.....



blah blah fuckin blah man.


sorry son, your not going to have that arguement this time :D


btw, if you say bro, its because you get Bro-ners. and have bromance with your bubby
who slaps you on the ass and says good game pal
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-07 15:41:31 UTC

Please lock for ranting and making light of suicide[/quote]
hmm what was on your mind.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-05-07 15:43:45 UTC
Lhucian Dark wrote:

Please lock for ranting and making light of suicide

hmm what was on your mind. [/quote]


btw, suicide is ILLEGAL.
smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
killing people is ILLEGAL.
smoking pot then killing people is ILLEGAL.


look it up. you cannot protect those who commit crimes. ban for aiding and abetting.
making fun of is how people ... in an assholish way mentally manipulate someone into believing something is wrong (such as the illegal activity.


thus. its the right thing to do.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-05-07 15:44:30 UTC
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:

Please lock for ranting and making light of suicide

hmm what was on your mind.



btw, suicide is ILLEGAL.
smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
killing people is ILLEGAL.
smoking pot then killing people and offing(or trying to) yourself is ILLEGAL.


look it up. you cannot protect those who commit crimes. ban for aiding and abetting.
making fun of is how people ... in an assholish way mentally manipulate someone into believing something is wrong (such as the illegal activity.


thus. its the right thing to do.[/quote]
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-05-07 15:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lhucian Dark
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:
Lhucian Dark wrote:

Please lock for ranting and making light of suicide

hmm what was on your mind.



btw, suicide is ILLEGAL.
smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
killing people is ILLEGAL.
suicide bombing, is ILLEGAL
smoking pot then killing people and offing(or trying to) yourself is ILLEGAL.


look it up. you cannot protect those who commit crimes. ban for aiding and abetting.
making fun of is how people ... in an assholish way mentally manipulate someone into believing something is wrong (such as the illegal activity.


thus. its the right thing to do.

[/quote]


and believe me. cuz i have, and oh i will.....

continue to make fun of emo's and suicide attempters. everyday i do, another suicide is prevented. and another emo kid finds something else to do with his hair, and his journal.


gee i wonder how many jyhadist took offense to this Twisted oh well :D
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-05-07 15:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lhucian Dark
hmm.... now that was overt trolling. but it was in defense of someone elses trolling. so does that make it okay? P


new update for phoenix btw.
they no longer use strontium clathrates. it uses trolls.... nom nom....

i eat trolls.
Lhucian Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-05-07 15:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lhucian Dark
btw. i have the right of defense. im responding to trolls....
not instigating.
that said. your the instigator.. you get what you asked for.
and there is no ban for defending ones self.
i atleast have a bill of rights to back that up.
and like many i was given those rights,
unlike many ive been one of the proud few to earn it. so plz. if your going to get upset/emo/buttsore ... then before you open your ... well keyboard up... you better be ready to read the replies. and accept what you just mouthed off to.