Ships & Modules

Being that I haul anything anywhere We could really use a smaller straight freighter in the 300,000 m3 class. it would be between the DST/BR t2 ships and the 700,000 m3 freighters we have now. I really believe it would be an improvement to the Industry of hauling freight.

Industrial > blockade runner + transports > orca > jump freighters > freighters

You do realise that a Jump Freighter is 6-7billion ISK right?

I think it is a good idea to have something that is non capital between the orca, which isn't really a hauler, and a freighter. A JF without the skill requirements and a jump drive that is more agile than a freighter. Make it modular so you can either have a large cargo hold or a ship maint bay that can hold maybe a BS and a salvager...

It's not that bad if you look at how amazing they are.

-Liang

What a senseless reply.
But why does the Orca have such a big cargo hold? If the Orca was only supposed to give mining Bonus they would have made a frigate which can use 3 warfare links...

There is 99% no need for a new ship and for any reason not a non-capital-ship with such a big cargo hold. This is a noobish request.

What Templar Bane wrote

Industrial > blockade runner + transports > orca > jump freighters > freighters

is 100% correct and all we need. And if you can't afford a freighter or jump freighter, you have to make more money like anybody else had to do before.

i think the point of a smaller freighter is to be more price friendly, and perhaps have better align and speed.
if you think about it, if you want to haul more than 100.000m3 and still have decent speed and agility, a JF is the only choice, and it's pretty expensive compared to a normal freighter.

a smaller freighter with more agility would have its spot.


i don't really get why people are refering to the orca when people say they want a small freighter, becuase the orca, got less cargo at the same speed/align as a freighter (actually the fenrir is quicker than a orca)

I see three things the OP MIGHT be trying to address.

1) Skill requirements are too high
2) Cost of a freighter is too high
3) Wants different ship characteristics.

1 and 2 are obvious cause for trolling. 3 however, might have some room for discussion. The modular (Tech3) idea is clearly a nonstarter. But I could see where a high cost mid step for the freightercould have a niche. It might be a similar spot as where transports fill in relation to T1 indys. Just have to make sure to balance it very very carefully. High cost, limited range, and skill requirements so as not to push out the freighter/jf niche. Maybe do similar (again) as transports; give on a tiny hold and improved movement while the other gets decient sized hold and tank but flys like a brick.

But really there is the orca already, and even if it isn't "supposed" to be a transport and its skills are not in the transport path, it still fills that spot very nicely.

corrected for you.
And this is why Orca is more effecient, because I can travel 3-4 times the same way like a freighter can do and therefore haul easily 300k m3 at the same time, even when I can't afford a freighter skill and costwise!

Skills will be no longer an argument in 1 month! You need only 17 days to train for an orca from the beginning instead of 50 like you do at the moment.

One recommendation: Open your mind and don't be a fool who just want's it the easy way. I am not coming to this Forum and ask for a mini-carrier for HiSec to do my missions faster or something like that.

There is absolutely no need for a mid-sized-cargo, faster, cheaper freighter in the game! Everything is fine.

And asking for a Tiericide of haulers at a time where CCP is moving away from Tiericide is a little bit ... escapist so to say.

One high agility, quicker warp speed, low cargo (125k m3-ish) and fragile (50k ehp-ish).
One low agility, slower warp speed, higher cargo (250k m3-ish) and tanky (300k ehp-ish).

That's the Orca, a very nice mixture (3 advantages and 1 disadvantag) of both suggestions from your side. :)