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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#21 - 2013-05-06 19:45:19 UTC
Jay Leno does the car part thing now.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#22 - 2013-05-06 19:56:17 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Jay Leno does the car part thing now.
Of course, there's no real reason the scanner couldn't output straight to the CNC machine. All it needs is the right interface software.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#23 - 2013-05-06 20:11:19 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
I think the big take-away is that we're one step closer to death by gray goo.

Also, you may want to sell any interests you own in miniatures, dolls, action figures, and/or plastic toys in general. And I think we're going to see legislature that really cracks down on the sales of 3D printers along with severe new IP laws (to prevent people from making their own unlicensed parts, toys, etc..) when bans on 3D printers become too difficult to enforce.

Finally, what's scarier: people printing their own guns, or people printing their own car parts (of indeterminate quality) on the cheap...?

Jewelers are already scared. They can be made obsolete by 3D printers. Fine metalworking and hand-sculpting wax models to make molds for casting-- easily replaced by a guy with a 3D design app and a 3D printer. That's one of those old apprentice to journeyman to master craftsman occupations. Kind of sad to see it go.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#24 - 2013-05-06 20:16:59 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:

Jewelers are already scared. They can be made obsolete by 3D printers. Fine metalworking and hand-sculpting wax models to make molds for casting-- easily replaced by a guy with a 3D design app and a 3D printer. That's one of those old apprentice to journeyman to master craftsman occupations. Kind of sad to see it go.

Game's workshops also bricking it. But the real potential for economic pain is Ford, GM, Volkswagen and Toyota. A Garage could have a 3d Printer in the back and print out replacement parts for a private inventory. A hobbyist or a competent Mechanic could print an entire car and not need to pay anything but the material costs. I bet when metal based ones of sufficient quanity start coming near commercialised there will be open source car designs.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#25 - 2013-05-06 20:25:37 UTC
I don't think there will ever truly be a one tool fits all application for metal based production. For a car alone I can think of probably a dozen different machines that need to be used.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#26 - 2013-05-06 20:31:47 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
I don't think there will ever truly be a one tool fits all application for metal based production. For a car alone I can think of probably a dozen different machines that need to be used.

Aye, its still a complicated task but it makes it more accessible to more people. Cassette tapes in the post could pirate things, but bit torrent just lowered the bar to entry is what I mean. As I understand the car sales model, Corporations break even with the vehicles themselves and make their profits from selling replacement components. Should the means of production be in the public's hands, why would you overpay for replacements? It could contract the market size in economic, but expand it in absolute terms. Bit like the music industry.

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Alara IonStorm
#27 - 2013-05-06 20:32:06 UTC
Kirjava wrote:

Game's workshops also bricking it. But the real potential for economic pain is Ford, GM, Volkswagen and Toyota. A Garage could have a 3d Printer in the back and print out replacement parts for a private inventory. A hobbyist or a competent Mechanic could print an entire car and not need to pay anything but the material costs. I bet when metal based ones of sufficient quanity start coming near commercialised there will be open source car designs.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#28 - 2013-05-06 20:39:53 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Kirjava wrote:

Game's workshops also bricking it. But the real potential for economic pain is Ford, GM, Volkswagen and Toyota. A Garage could have a 3d Printer in the back and print out replacement parts for a private inventory. A hobbyist or a competent Mechanic could print an entire car and not need to pay anything but the material costs. I bet when metal based ones of sufficient quanity start coming near commercialised there will be open source car designs.

Gene Roddenberry would be so proud.

Aye, so would Lenin now I think about it.

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We haven't cracked food yet, I know a few people working on hydroponics projects though so theoretically it could happen....

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stoicfaux
#29 - 2013-05-06 20:40:02 UTC
On the plus side, we may not need long range personal conveyances (err cars) in Teh Future(tm). If your local co-op printing/milling center can produce any material item you may need, then there's less need to have finished goods being sold locally or for you to travel to such a store. Imagine if your local Wal-mart, Lowe's/Home Depot, Target, etc., didn't need to stock 90% of its finished goods because people could just make those goods locally.



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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#30 - 2013-05-06 20:43:23 UTC
Well we work better in office scenarios from what I understand, so there will still be that. Telepresence has only gotten us so far, and Skype is an adhoc arrangement but personal contact is preferable if available.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-05-06 20:48:15 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Well we work better in office scenarios from what I understand, so there will still be that. Telepresence has only gotten us so far, and Skype is an adhoc arrangement but personal contact is preferable if available.


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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#32 - 2013-05-06 21:05:12 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I think the big take-away is that we're one step closer to death by gray goo.

Also, you may want to sell any interests you own in miniatures, dolls, action figures, and/or plastic toys in general. And I think we're going to see legislature that really cracks down on the sales of 3D printers along with severe new IP laws (to prevent people from making their own unlicensed parts, toys, etc..) when bans on 3D printers become too difficult to enforce.

Finally, what's scarier: people printing their own guns, or people printing their own car parts (of indeterminate quality) on the cheap...?

Jewelers are already scared. They can be made obsolete by 3D printers. Fine metalworking and hand-sculpting wax models to make molds for casting-- easily replaced by a guy with a 3D design app and a 3D printer. That's one of those old apprentice to journeyman to master craftsman occupations. Kind of sad to see it go.

The better craftsmen should be racing to embrace it. The technology will make possible designs previously impossible, or nearly impossible. Vision and creativity will finally be matched with technology that can can bring the most fantastic designs to fruition.

I think it was Buddy Holly who said he had sounds inside his head that the world had never heard. Similarly, the truly excellent craftsmen certainly have visions of jewelry in their head that defied the mechanics of existing technology.

Nor need the current skills vanish. Nailguns have not made obsolete the hammer, nor have air wrenches made obsolete the crescent wrench. Screwguns have not made obsolete the screwdriver, nor has the foundry made extinct the blackmsith. What *will* happen is that cheap, low-imagination jewelry will become comoditized out of existence (mostly), and the field of custom / bespoke jewelry ought to see a renaissance. There will be some winnowing of course, but most of us simply don't have the trained imagination to match the designs of a really excellent jeweler.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#33 - 2013-05-06 21:12:02 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
I bet when metal based ones of sufficient quanity start coming near commercialised there will be open source car designs.

Metal-based ones already exist. They're called CNC Mills. Yes, there are models small enough for the well-heeled hobbyiest. All it takes is an interface to your scanner (already developed!) and you can turn out metalic, plastic, or wood objects directly.

However, the milling or printing process is NOT mass-production friendly. You're not going to see parts supply houses going out of business over printers. You may see some low-turnover product lines being dropped, perhaps. The big auto groups don't make their own spare parts anyway - they job those out to supply-chain firms. Saw the impact here locally when Dodge pulled out of Newark (DE) - a score or so small-to-medium businesses which supplied spares and related services folded immediately after the plant shuttered.

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pussnheels
Viziam
#34 - 2013-05-07 08:43:42 UTC
so does anyone has the prints for a thermo nuclear device for me i pau you 100 mil isk for one

sometimes technology can be a pain in the ass
what irritates me it is getting so much attention in the media

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Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-07 13:18:46 UTC
I think it's pretty sad that there are millions without a meal tonight and we're focussing our efforts on manufacturing things to take lives instead of save them.

Out of sight, out of mind I guess...

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#36 - 2013-05-07 13:28:58 UTC
Don't worry, the 3d printer is one step closer to becoming a replicator. A painstakingly slow replicator.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#37 - 2013-05-07 13:52:30 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Don't worry, the 3d printer is one step closer to becoming a replicator. A painstakingly slow replicator.

Just as long as I get just one.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#38 - 2013-05-07 14:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Of course the ultimate application will be to make better, more detailed, less blobby D&D miniatures! Actually it's probably the Napoleonic miniatures that could use more help in this area.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#39 - 2013-05-07 15:09:00 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Of course the ultimate application will be to make better, more detailed, less blobby D&D miniatures! Actually it's probably the Napoleonic miniatures that could use more help in this area.


This was a big discussion between me and friends lately. We were talking about picking up a $300 3d printer and a scanner. Then what we do is pick up one box set of the armies that we use for 40k or fantasy and we scan each sprue. Then with my programs I can physically reshape legs and arms and add or delete details, making each model that much more unique in the army. The savings would show easily within 10 tanks which is why I stopped playing so long ago. I mean its what now, like $30 for a unit and almost $60 for vehicles now?

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#40 - 2013-05-07 17:02:47 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Of course the ultimate application will be to make better, more detailed, less blobby D&D miniatures! Actually it's probably the Napoleonic miniatures that could use more help in this area.
A friend of mine is using his printer to print interlocking terrain hexes of various profiles and heights. He figures he doesn't really need to print miniatures, but no one has the excellent maps that he has.

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