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"King of Low Sec" - Fly your flag over CCP HQ by blowing stuff up!

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David Laurentson
Laurentson INC
#41 - 2013-05-05 14:47:06 UTC
Julius Rigel wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Eterne isn't a player, he's a CCP employee.
No, when he logs on to the server, or the forum, and he's not doing it to fix a bug or deal with an issue, he's a player, and more importantly, he is an event organiser.

CCP Goliath wrote:
No, this isn't something anyone can request. The criteria for who gets to offer this prize is: be CCP.
Very well, thank you.

Lastly, would you care to state for the record, publicly, in your own words, that this is preferential treatment of event organisers? I'm not against it, I'm just interested in having an open, honest line of communication between us.

Many thanks.


You're welcome to put a corp logo over your own house, if you like: if you run a business, they may have a roof you can use too!
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#42 - 2013-05-05 15:23:42 UTC
We didn't plan on a single corp being able to win, but if they do, we'll certainly see what we can do!

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Julius Rigel
#43 - 2013-05-05 15:24:06 UTC
David Laurentson wrote:
You're welcome to put a corp logo over your own house, if you like: if you run a business, they may have a roof you can use too!
Absolutely, and I do proudly fly the checkered racing flag above my apartment complex! Big smile

But that's not the topic of discussion.

Firstly, I would like to have a proper forum post to reference, so that when someone is saying "I think it's a good thing that CCP gives out special prizes to certain event organisers, and yes this constitutes some form of favoritism, etc., etc.", they have something substantial to link that clearly shows CCP's standpoint on the issue.

Secondly, concerning the actual flag on a roof, which is a completely different topic: Yes, I can fly a flag above my own roof, but can I offer to fly someone else's flag above my roof as an incentive for something in-game?

Can I use flag-on-roof as a prize in one of my races? Is this OK?

What if instead of having the flag made and flying it above my roof, I have it made, and then ship it to the winner, so he can own it and fly it above his own roof? Is that OK?

What if instead of commissioning the flag to be made, I just Paypal him the money so he can have it made himself. Would that be an acceptable prize?

If the money I sent him as a prize for winning my event was not even earmarked for flag-flying, would that change anything?

What if I offer an iTunes gift card as a prize? (This is an actual example from a contest hosted by one of those EVE-related radio stations a few years back. The prizes were a GTC code (not a PLEX, just the number off the back of a card), some ISK, and a $20 iTunes gift card redeemable in the US iTunes store.)

This subject is very complicated, and there are many, possibly conflicting, precedents from the past ten years.

I feel that whenever a representative makes a vague or dismissive statement on any subject, it only makes things worse, and that's why I strive to encourage these fine gentlemen such as Mr. Goliath to make clear, concise, public posts about these difficult questions, no matter if the answer that comes out is something I agree with or disagree with.

So far this year things are going very well in this regard, and I hope we can keep this trend going. It hasn't always been so easy to get a straight answer out of a rep.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#44 - 2013-05-05 16:17:17 UTC
This event is an official CCP event, and Eterne is organizing it as part of his job with CCP.

And yes if you want to fly a flag over your roof as a prize for your ingame event you are 100% welcome to.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

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Julius Rigel
#45 - 2013-05-05 16:45:02 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This event is an official CCP event, and Eterne is organizing it as part of his job with CCP.
Don't deflect. We are not discussing the semantics of the word "player". Just leave it be. Eterne is an event organiser, a person organising an event. The semantics of that are not ambiguous.

CCP Fozzie wrote:
And yes if you want to fly a flag over your roof as a prize for your ingame event you are 100% welcome to.
This does not sufficiently answer any of my questions. Specifically it does not sufficiently answer the question "what am I allowed to offer as a prize for my event?"

Where is the line drawn?

A real-world service, such as flying a flag?

Real-world physical goods such as a shirt, a figurine (or a flag) shipped to the prize winner?

Can I offer a plane ticket as a prize? Can I offer to take the winner out for beer? Is it too much to buy him or her dinner?

Were people in the past wrong to offer an iTunes gift card, a box set of EVE, a subscription to a Ventrilo server?

Where is the line drawn?

Thank you for your answers.
Aethelric Brandt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-05-05 16:57:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aethelric Brandt
Can you even possibly be serious? Enough with your inane trolling questions; read the EULA if you're that curious (hint: you can offer just about anything, so long as you are not exchanging ISK for real life moneyor vice versa).

Let's talk more about slaughtering people in low-sec.
Julius Rigel
#47 - 2013-05-05 18:23:44 UTC
Aethelric Brandt wrote:
read the EULA if you're that curious (hint: you can offer just about anything, so long as you are not exchanging ISK for real life moneyor vice versa).
Of course I have read the EULA. It says I can't transfer, sell, auction, or buy anything within the game environment. But is giving a prize for a competition a transfer? I'm hypothetically giving someone something in the real world in exchange for them doing something within the game environment. What if the contest involves giving me something, such as a lottery? Am I transferring a real prize in exchange for the money paid for the lottery tickets? Is that sort of like buying ISK in exchange for goods in the real world, or is that definitely, absolutely, certainly not considered exchanging real-world money for in-game anything?

I'm just asking for clarification on that paragraph of the agreement. If CCP does not want to clarify it, that's their privilige, and it would be nice of them to make that known.
Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#48 - 2013-05-05 19:41:34 UTC
I hope that un-allied Corps are eligible for winning this as well.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#49 - 2013-05-05 21:28:33 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
We didn't plan on a single corp being able to win, but if they do, we'll certainly see what we can do!


Well we did around 50 billion dmg tonight, we might have a chance :DDD

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Bailian Moxtain
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#50 - 2013-05-05 21:35:09 UTC
Good Fight today br0s
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#51 - 2013-05-06 06:47:02 UTC
Does the isk destryoed on CCP ships and pods count?

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Yenton Achasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-05-06 07:23:33 UTC
Julius Rigel wrote:
David Laurentson wrote:
You're welcome to put a corp logo over your own house, if you like: if you run a business, they may have a roof you can use too!
Absolutely, and I do proudly fly the checkered racing flag above my apartment complex! Big smile

But that's not the topic of discussion.

Firstly, I would like to have a proper forum post to reference, so that when someone is saying "I think it's a good thing that CCP gives out special prizes to certain event organisers, and yes this constitutes some form of favoritism, etc., etc.", they have something substantial to link that clearly shows CCP's standpoint on the issue.

Secondly, concerning the actual flag on a roof, which is a completely different topic: Yes, I can fly a flag above my own roof, but can I offer to fly someone else's flag above my roof as an incentive for something in-game?

Can I use flag-on-roof as a prize in one of my races? Is this OK?

What if instead of having the flag made and flying it above my roof, I have it made, and then ship it to the winner, so he can own it and fly it above his own roof? Is that OK?

What if instead of commissioning the flag to be made, I just Paypal him the money so he can have it made himself. Would that be an acceptable prize?

If the money I sent him as a prize for winning my event was not even earmarked for flag-flying, would that change anything?

What if I offer an iTunes gift card as a prize? (This is an actual example from a contest hosted by one of those EVE-related radio stations a few years back. The prizes were a GTC code (not a PLEX, just the number off the back of a card), some ISK, and a $20 iTunes gift card redeemable in the US iTunes store.)

This subject is very complicated, and there are many, possibly conflicting, precedents from the past ten years.

I feel that whenever a representative makes a vague or dismissive statement on any subject, it only makes things worse, and that's why I strive to encourage these fine gentlemen such as Mr. Goliath to make clear, concise, public posts about these difficult questions, no matter if the answer that comes out is something I agree with or disagree with.

So far this year things are going very well in this regard, and I hope we can keep this trend going. It hasn't always been so easy to get a straight answer out of a rep.

God dam what if this what if that Jesus chill out
Longdrinks
Zero Fun Allowed
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#53 - 2013-05-06 07:40:37 UTC
Julius Rigel wrote:
[quote=Aethelric Brandt]lots of words

who gives a shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-
Hlynurth
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#54 - 2013-05-06 08:11:17 UTC
Confirming PL is going to kill their own titan after this short dt
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#55 - 2013-05-06 11:06:35 UTC
So when is that snuff box flag flying over Reykjavik then?
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#56 - 2013-05-06 11:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
*Urine on CCP hq*

If we win this, im kinda glad we dont have any alliance logo. Pirate
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#57 - 2013-05-06 13:10:10 UTC
So any idea of which group picked this up?
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#58 - 2013-05-06 14:12:43 UTC
It is most prolly Urine alliance. Damn the 2nd CCP wave :P...i think we were in front before the 2nd wave :D

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#59 - 2013-05-06 19:22:18 UTC
Hey guys, our database team was a tad bit busy with the patch and all today. We're hoping to have the winner of this announced tomorrow.

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EmoKidWithKantana
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-05-06 19:54:38 UTC
Donedy wrote:
*Urine on CCP hq*

If we win this, im kinda glad we dont have any alliance logo. Pirate


They could just use the SnuffBox t-shirt that one of the devs 'joinked from KillerJon at fanfest this year, it's got the fancy logo on it