Warfare & Tactics

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At the moment the ridiculous amounts of EHP make it impossible for smaller entities to even try, if the EHP is lower as the space was not looked after and there was a chance of actually doing it rather than the certain death you have now which you correctly point out then we might see a change. Notice the word might...., you are detailing the current situation where there is no chance of RF'ing something or even taking it down due to the EHP. So no one tries, so that proves your point, of course smaller entities are not taking sov now, they can't, they can barely scratch the paint work. So if you have multiple systems all with low EHP that gets interesting, gets you fights perhaps. Of course defenders will turn up, but if that is happening in multiple systems attacked by multiple alliances things start to get spread out a bit. Obviously you will ignore what I just said here, but what the hell.

PL did hardly anything in the war against Solar, and -A- was some time ago, PL's recent Titan loss to RA shows their complacency. In terms of shooting the CFC, they spent some time dropping BLOPS in your ratting systems and killing carriers repping POS's from what i understand, bit of fun for them, apart from the one time you managed to catch them.

In terms of checking the moons, you own that space you have to look after it, if that is what is needed then why not, because at that point someone might not bother checking and that gives opportunities. Now its POS down, immediate report and bang, POS gone.

That was PL/Raiden and NCDOT, the DRF never went for the CFC, and the CFC played that very well, cyno jamming to create a **** cage, excellent strategic level thinking...

Anyway it hardly matters, Eve is so stale in 0.0, the most action is in FW now, which says everything!

You are just a bit stupid aren't you?

-A major sov war has just finished.
-A major sov war is just about to start.
-At least two other minor conflicts are happening in 0.0 just now as well.
-Look at ccps graph from fanfest about ships destroyed the ONLY point when lowsec exceeds 0.0 was when a battle between two 0.0 entities happened there.

so how is 0.0 stale again?

PL's titan loos to RA shows that one member of PL had a ******** moment and tried to dd an obviously baiting carrier, no reflection on the alliance as a whole, as for them doing almost none of the fighting in the war against solar (which started as -A- was still in its dying throws) this is just plain wrong.

Fun.

As i said major sov war.

Keep watching, you will.

Not actually that minor, certainly bigger than anything going on anywhere that isn't 0.0

Small/medium gang PvP happens in lowsec! Call the papers we must tell everyone! Seriously though when big fights happen in 0.0 (at lest 3-4 times a week) they dwarf anything happening in lowsec.

Because PL totally weren't flying with N3 right?

sov = control of space.

otherwise its just sticking a flag in the ground and leaving it there.


with time, stuff needs to decay.
refueling towers is a pita, but it reflects the idea. sov structures of all kind need
some kind of uphold / decay mechanism.

what about more incursions in 0.0 space, npc rats attacking sof structures and upgrades, POS´s and all ?

Cap and super cap rats ?

make 0.0 incursions a REAL threat which need to get countered.

do nothing and you lose sov . back to the system being NPC controlled.

We do control out space. My whole argument has been that it should be players that control what happens in sov space not NPCs.

Why should the rats be a danger to sov? It takes away from the whole player generated content philosophy. Aside from forcing a tedious grind on players when people already claim there isn't enough PVP in 0.0

i understand the player generated content standpoint. but, NPC´s offer content too, (even though it might be lacking). imagine NPC incursions in 0.0 but with cap and supercap rats. yeah it might be scripted content, BUT it would make home defense necessary as these rats pose a threat to structures as well as to ships.

how does a government control its territory nowadays ? by presence or just by mere telling people "this is our territory" ?
imagine some districts and city parts of Los Angeles, where no police has been in years because of gang activity. who is in control there ? which territory is it ?

if someone just sticks his flag in the ground and says "this is ours now" but never shows up afterwards, why shouldnt some other entity being able to build a whole infrastructure like POS, hell even jumpgates and stations in there without the "owner" even knowing ? the flag sure as hell wont tell him...

it would mean empire being "smaller", but much more established and with much better infrastructure.

with implementing the need to protect and care for your space, you open the doors for really much much more player driven content. and only the largest and well functioning entities could hold really lareg areas in space... as it should be. but not with blobbing every decent enough enemy fleet, but with actively patrolling and securing their space.

Ok first I wanted to take the time to thank many of you for taking the time to read my thoughts or even skim them. While I certainly understand that more pvp is desired and not pve, my thoughts believe it or not are aimed at acheiving that. Whether you like ratting, mining, ect. using your space to support a war machine accomplishes two tasks. Number one the back yard comparison is missing the point completely. Think more fields surrounding a castle. The fields need to supply grain to keep the soldiers bellies full. In traditional war, many times sieges are won or lost based on supplies and logistics. If you have your vassels filling the stores, you can hold out against a force for longer until they weaken, lower the drawbridge and kill the campers. This is basically the same principle. A poorly stocked supply room and you can't hold out and the attackers win quickly.

If you want to look at the back yard example squatters actually can gain rights to unused land assuming they live there unnoticed for long enough. Check your local laws there are provisions that can be scary.

Back to the pvp point of this. I have taken roams through null and seen vast expanses of desolate space. Could time zones be a factor sure, but as it stands now it seems silly to have no one out and about. Reward being in space. Whether that leads to pvp or pve more ships in space will equate to more pvp in the long run versus ship spinning until a major op is declared. People roaming will have targets and those targets may have to switch to their fighting ships to mount a response or simply be wiped out. If attackers want to stay to eliminate the station they have to work for it and spend the time. Make the emphasis on defense so that with the right friends or mercs contacted they can fight for their homes. With a magnificiently high ehp level these small groups can stand a chance, as they have been using their space. Those that don't well they can still roam in impressive numbers and cause havoc, but the long run rewards will not be as high. Successful systems will draw new members to these active groups for the increased rewards which will lead to better "good fights of epic scale." Empty space will get used and when you go somewhere you will have the chance for action as more people equal more potential targets. You don't like pve defends those who do or murder those who do, but more ships in space active is the solution.

I do like the loot pinata aspect, reward the risk to attack. Just remember while you are doing so what is happening to your home space? If you don't intend to use the space, why take it?

Finally, because some group decides they have enough passive income to plex 5 accounts and buy anything they are entitled to space because they can log 100 titans and 500-1000 support vessels for an hour a month means that vast areas of space go unused, seems counter productive to finding fights. I am glad to see changes to tech to make absurb passive income less predominant. While these pve activities are boring, they are at least pilots in space that a. are doing something and b. can be attacked. As it stands many large groups ship spin and do little while increasing their wealth lead so that they can fleet a better force the 1 hour a month or a week when they log in that overwhelming force. To me the other fix was sort of implemented by eliminating a passive income in large amounts and b. make multiboxing a thing of the past so that 1 player equals one ship both of which lead to see entities being smaller in size naturally leading to more constant fighting rather than 1 or two "epic" fights a year if that. An I win button with no risk and all reward seems bad in the long run for the game, so I am glad for those changes so far. More balanced fights to me would only lead to more true subscriptions and an expanded player base. Multiplexing alts you can only play one at a time sounds reasonable. Keep it up CCP and our space will become more interesting to fly in.