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Good PVE T3 Missions - Battle Cuiser

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Lemonkiss
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-05-06 12:06:23 UTC
Hello everyone.
I' getting my Cruiser (Rupture - Minmatar) today, and I will start to run L2 missions with it, but I like to plan ahead.

So, I'm looking for a good Minmatar PVE ship for T3 missions, anyone have any recomendation? Would appreciate a evemon fit.

I heard that Minmatar BC aren't that good for solo T3 missions, is that true?
Thanks.

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#2 - 2013-05-06 12:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
First things first: T3 means "Tech 3", which is an advanced ship type, so you're asking about level 3 missions.

For mission both the cyclone and hurricane are just fine, anyone telling they're bad... is bad and should probably not be listened to. Generally people who will tell you that lack any sort of actual knowledge but just spout tired old memes based on outdated/fictional "facts", they're ignorant and bad.

What you need to learn above anything else is damage types and resists, if you do missions in Minmatar space you'll mostly run into Minmatar based NPC which (as it's Minnie racial damage type) do explosive and some kinetic, with some traces of the others. Shield has very good native explosive and kin resists while armour has very bad native explosive and kinetic resists. So if you do missions in Minmatar space then you're best off to shield tank your ships, which is great for minnie because they're quite good at it.

Here's a template for a good lvl 3 fit, upgrade with better mods where you can.

[Hurricane, lvl 3 - angels - template]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Explosive Deflection Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

650mm Artillery Cannon I, Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon I, Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon I, Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon I, Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon I, Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon I, Fusion M
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Warrior I x6
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-05-06 12:50:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
when you say T3, most people will think of strategic cruisers, level 3 missions are commonly referred to as L3.

as for ships: both the cyclone and hurricane work out well in L3s as long as you have sufficient skills. the caldari drake is arguably better because it can sport a solid tank and good paper dps more easily than the minmatar ships.

here is a cookie cutter fit that will get you through lvl3s:

[Hurricane]

[High Slots]
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M

[Med Slots]
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

[Low Slots]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

[Rigs]
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

[Drones]
Warrior II x 5

this fit is meant to run against angels. for other factions, you may want to switch hardeners, ammo and drones. notice the faction ammo; it will give you a significant damage boost and is not too expensive because artillery shoots really slow.


edit: the fit above me is pretty overtanked, but mine may be undertanked for the harder lvl3s. just tune the amount of Shield power relays until you have just enough tank and you'll be fine.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Lemonkiss
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-05-06 12:51:00 UTC
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. And yea, I was reffereing to Level 3 missions.

I'm doing the Epic sisters Arc, and I don't know what to do after that.. lol. I want to start doing Level 2 missions on my cruiser, any tips on where to start?
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#5 - 2013-05-06 12:55:45 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
when you say T3, most people will think of strategic cruisers, level 3 missions are commonly referred to as L3.

as for ships: both the cyclone and hurricane work out well in L3s as long as you have sufficient skills. the caldari drake is arguably better because it can sport a solid tank and good paper dps more easily than the minmatar ships.

here is a cookie cutter fit that will get you through lvl3s:

[Hurricane]

[High Slots]
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M
650mm Artillery Cannon II - Republic Fleet Fusion M

[Med Slots]
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

[Low Slots]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

[Rigs]
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

[Drones]
Warrior II x 5

this fit is meant to run against angels. for other factions, you may want to switch hardeners, ammo and drones. notice the faction ammo; it will give you a significant damage boost and is not too expensive because artillery shoots really slow.




Faction ammo and T2 shield rig, yes that's clearly aimed at new players....
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-05-06 13:00:26 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:

Faction ammo and T2 shield rig, yes that's clearly aimed at new players....


if you look closely you will notice that everything else is *gasp* also T2. i trust OP to be competent enough to find the meta module equivalents of all the T2 modules i put on there.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#7 - 2013-05-06 13:01:26 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:

Faction ammo and T2 shield rig, yes that's clearly aimed at new players....


if you look closely you will notice that everything else is *gasp* also T2. i trust OP to be competent enough to find the meta module equivalents of all the T2 modules i put on there.


So in short, you're giving him goals he won't attain for quite a while without stating that it's not needed at all. Well done.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-05-06 13:08:12 UTC
Lemonkiss wrote:
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. And yea, I was reffereing to Level 3 missions.

I'm doing the Epic sisters Arc, and I don't know what to do after that.. lol. I want to start doing Level 2 missions on my cruiser, any tips on where to start?


look around for a good system to mission in. you may want to visit eve-agents.com and then filter accordingly. good systems should have the following features:
- low security status (preferably 0.5 or 0.6).
- more than one security lvl2 agent in the same station, so that you can accept more than one mission at once.
- the corporation you are running for has a 'good' LP store. (this is a science in and of itself).
- the local pirate faction should align well with your weapon system and tank. for a shield tanked rupture that would be angels but since projectile weapons can switch ammo types, you can also run against other factions.
- no lowsec systems nearby.
- preferably a storyline agent nearby.
- other things that i may have forgotten to mention.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-05-06 13:13:29 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:

Faction ammo and T2 shield rig, yes that's clearly aimed at new players....


if you look closely you will notice that everything else is *gasp* also T2. i trust OP to be competent enough to find the meta module equivalents of all the T2 modules i put on there.


So in short, you're giving him goals he won't attain for quite a while without stating that it's not needed at all. Well done.

define 'needed'. you can probably run most lvl3s in a t1 fit slasher but it would be silly do advise OP to do so. a full t2 fit on the other hand is the de facto standard for most tasks, so it only makes sense to present it as a long term goal which he can work towards.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#10 - 2013-05-06 13:22:12 UTC
You're avoiding the issue, and the issue is "what point is there showing a newbie who clearly has zero understanding of the game (which is fine and to be expected) a fit with mods he can't use nor aren't needed, even if he'd use meta gear would never be able to fit due to massive PG issues because of low fitting skills. And then sprinkle that with T2 rigs and faction ammo".

I'm not questioning your effort or intent, I'm just saying that if you want to help a newbie then you'll have to use his perspective, lack of knowledge and capabilities as a yard stick.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-05-06 13:43:48 UTC
i see your point and raise you the self-evidence of the fact that T2 modules can usually be replaced with meta versions. in fact, I would argue that even if OP did not know about the nuances of T2, my fit would encourage him to learn more about fitting while he tries to circumnavigate the problems.

as for faction ammo: i explicitly stated why i chose to fit it. a full salvo of faction fusion at current prices will cost only about 4k isk which is a bargain for a 15% dps gain.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#12 - 2013-05-06 13:53:35 UTC
Lets assume fairly standard skills: Shield upgrades 4, engineering 4, no AWU. Your double LSE fit won't work even if switched to meta 4. If you want to put in the effort to reply to a newbie question, put in the effort to link a fit that's relevant.

I honestly don't understand why you're defending your stance in this. Either way, enough off topic.
Lemonkiss
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-05-06 14:11:13 UTC
Thanks for both of you, I'm creating a plan on my Evemon right now, and I won't need much training to be able to use a BC.

I'm now a bit lost with missions. Some friends said that I need reputation to bein able to run L2 missions, and to get that I will need to complete L1 missions, is that how it works?

If it's not, then anyone have any suggestion on where I should start? I'm just doing the Epic sister missions.
Btw, I like to kill things more than walk around/use exploration stuff, and also I'm a Minmatar player. Thanks.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-05-06 14:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
the higher the agent level the higher standings with the agents corporation or faction you need to talk to that agent. for example if you want to talk to a lvl2 agent of the republic fleet corporation, you will need at least 1.0 standings with republic fleet or the minmatar republic. for a lvl3 agent, you need 3.0, 5.0 for lvl4 and 7.0 for lvl5.
an easy way to get your standings up quickly is to train social skills like Connections.

edit: there are exceptions to this rule. storyline agents will not talk to you unless you are referred to them (you will get a notification in your mail) and faction warfare agents will only talk to you if you join the respective faction's militia. this is not as relevant though, as you will be primarily focusing on 'normal' security agents.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Lemonkiss
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-05-06 17:42:47 UTC
That's good, but since there's a LOT of agents/L2 missions around, do you recomend any to start with? I just did the career missions and now I'm doing the Epic Sisters arc.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#16 - 2013-05-06 18:29:26 UTC
sec status of the system the agent is in only affects isk and LP rewards, not standing. And as you're only going to be doing lvl 2s for a short while till you move on to lvl 3 missions you could decide to not bother putting in the effort and just "pick one". The thing about missions is that any issues you might have at lower lvl are of no importance, as long as the lvl 4 agents you'll have access to are good.

You're just "racing" to lvl 4s and it's probably not worth it to slow down wasting time & effort on picking specific agents along the way. Note that deciding on what NPC corp to use hinges on many things; profitable LP store, good storyline agent nearby your lvl 4 agent and good lvl 4 agents in the first place. Thing is that if you ask people, in help chat for instance, what to choose they inevitably tell you to pick one of the navies because... uhm... well just because! In reality the navies are probably the worst to choose.

Lemonkiss
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-05-06 19:25:12 UTC
That's good to know, but now I'm more confuse... Do you recommend any?
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#18 - 2013-05-06 20:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
A large portion of mission income comes from the LP store and it takes time, effort and a lot of cross referencing to figure out which NPC corp has the best LP store. That's why many mission runners don't actually do amazing isk/hour because they never bothered. But as EVE is player driven the market prices change all the time so what might be good now might not be good later on, but you can state that whatever everyone else does is probably not going to be very profitable, because.... every else does it already.

Generally you'll want to be looking at the 5 run BPC for faction damage mods and stuff like that, but it only takes one clown to do that as well who agrees to low profit and... you're back to square one.

Make use of this website, also this one and cross reference goodies with the ingame market. So you need to find a corp with good lvl 4 agents, preferably in a .5 system with storyline agent nearby and not too close to low sec, while having speciality good in the store which actually sell for good profit :) And ppl who found one obviously won't tell you as they don't want the competition or they'll actually put you on the wrong path.

So, lots of checking to do :)
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-05-06 22:39:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
a small addition to the info above: there are items with a good LP conversion that do not require production from blueprint but they are harder to find and most of them sell very slowly. this website will run the numbers for you but you should be careful witth the numbers it gives you, as it just stupidly calculates the profit at current prices and does not tell you anything about how well an item sells.

I should buy an Ishtar.