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Moros HUGE DPS INCREASE!!!!
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Alexandria Aesirial
Fancypants Inc
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2011-11-02 15:50:21 UTC
I'd like to know the overall dps increase the moros gets with the new 5% ROF bonus + 5% dmg per level. I'm guessing the values will be around super cap dps level. CCP, nerf it before it hits SISI!!!!

It's only blobbing when you lose, otherwise it's good fleet comp.
xenodia
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-02 16:08:05 UTC
Alexandria Aesirial wrote:
I'd like to know the overall dps increase the moros gets with the new 5% ROF bonus + 5% dmg per level. I'm guessing the values will be around super cap dps level. CCP, nerf it before it hits SISI!!!!



Um.... you do know that that change was to offset the loss of all drones (which were a significant part of Moros's DPS) right ?

As someone whos been a Moros pilot pretty much since they were put in game, I actually hate the changes. Ive always been willing to accept that moros was handicapped on its "primary' weapons system (failbrids), because of the knowledge that with its drone bay and bonuses the moros had its niche as the only dread that could really be effective against sub caps. Now that niche is going away. Oh yay... we get a buff to a weapons system that still sucks, in exchange for completely removing the only weapons system we had that actually worked like it was supposed to. Anyone know where I can buy some confetti to celebrate ?
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-02 16:34:30 UTC
first post MAD
second post SAD

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
SOLMEN
Earth Wings
#4 - 2011-11-02 16:47:22 UTC
Personally, I look forward to this boost. I just fear the cap issues that will be caused by it.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-11-02 16:50:08 UTC
hmm rly did anyone check how much that will be ? and the other dreads?
Dravidshky
Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints
#6 - 2011-11-02 16:51:59 UTC
I think someone calculated the new DPS with antimatter and all lvl 5 skill to somewhere around +10k dps
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-11-02 16:57:31 UTC
SOLMEN wrote:
Personally, I look forward to this boost. I just fear the cap issues that will be caused by it.



30% less issue, actually. Dev blogs are your friend.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#8 - 2011-11-02 17:07:27 UTC
You're still dead if a titan looks at you. Cry
Goose99
#9 - 2011-11-02 20:51:05 UTC
With the new changes, Revelations are now the only dreads worth getting.Lol
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2011-11-02 21:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Alexandria Aesirial wrote:
I'd like to know the overall dps increase the moros gets with the new 5% ROF bonus + 5% dmg per level. I'm guessing the values will be around super cap dps level. CCP, nerf it before it hits SISI!!!!
Looking at only turret damage:

Old Turret Damage Bonus = 1 + Gallente Dreadnought * 5% Damage

Gallente Dreadnought 1: 105%
Gallente Dreadnought 2: 110%
Gallente Dreadnought 3: 115%
Gallente Dreadnought 4: 120%
Gallente Dreadnought 5: 125%

New Turret Damage Bonus = (1 + Gallente Dreadnought * 5% Damage) / (1 - Gallente Dreadnought * 5% RoF)

Gallente Dreadnought 1: 110%
Gallente Dreadnought 2: 122%
Gallente Dreadnought 3: 135%
Gallente Dreadnought 4: 150%
Gallente Dreadnought 5: 167%

Assuming there is both a damage and rate of fire bonus.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2011-11-02 21:17:00 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Old Damage Bonus = 1 + Gallente Dreadnought * 5%

New Damage Bonus = (1 + Gallente Dreadnought * 5% Damage) / (1 - Gallente Dreadnought * 5% RoF)


Maths are fine and good, but isn't it getting the RoF bonus on top of the damage bonus (and instead of the drone bonus)? Which would give it 5 effective turrets ((3 * 5 * 4)/(4 * 3)) at max skills (which is multiplied by 8.4 with SMII).

Whether that's a reasonable amount of damage -- meh. I suspect it is. But that appears to give 5/42 effective turrets out of siege/in siege.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2011-11-02 21:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Old Damage Bonus = 1 + Gallente Dreadnought * 5%

New Damage Bonus = (1 + Gallente Dreadnought * 5% Damage) / (1 - Gallente Dreadnought * 5% RoF)


Maths are fine and good, but isn't it getting the RoF bonus on top of the damage bonus (and instead of the drone bonus)? Which would give it 5 effective turrets ((3 * 5 * 4)/(4 * 3)) at max skills (which is multiplied by 8.4 with SMII).

Whether that's a reasonable amount of damage -- meh. I suspect it is. But that appears to give 5/42 effective turrets out of siege/in siege.
The formula is only for turrets as I don't know how to easily add drone damage to the old turrets. Drone damage depends on different skills and the drones used, so that would have to be converted into equivalent turret damage.
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-02 21:34:51 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
With the new changes, Revelations are now the only dreads worth getting.Lol


It's been like that for a long while, tbh.
Gabriel Karade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2011-11-02 22:42:13 UTC
Dravidshky wrote:
I think someone calculated the new DPS with antimatter and all lvl 5 skill to somewhere around +10k dps
Bit over 10k when accounting for Navy Mag. stabs, gunnery implants and the siege module buff (10,663 if I'm recalling correctly what my old fit used to put out...)

War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-11-02 23:04:55 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
You're still dead if a titan looks at you. Cry



It's not like if Titans were there to kill caps and supers, they're already so good at one shooting BS size under remote tracking Lol
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-11-02 23:06:54 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Alexandria Aesirial wrote:
I'd like to know the overall dps increase the moros gets with the new 5% ROF bonus + 5% dmg per level. I'm guessing the values will be around super cap dps level. CCP, nerf it before it hits SISI!!!!
Looking at only turret damage:

Old Turret Damage Bonus = 1 + Gallente Dreadnought * 5% Damage

Gallente Dreadnought 1: 105%
Gallente Dreadnought 2: 110%
Gallente Dreadnought 3: 115%
Gallente Dreadnought 4: 120%
Gallente Dreadnought 5: 125%

New Turret Damage Bonus = (1 + Gallente Dreadnought * 5% Damage) / (1 - Gallente Dreadnought * 5% RoF)

Gallente Dreadnought 1: 110%
Gallente Dreadnought 2: 122%
Gallente Dreadnought 3: 135%
Gallente Dreadnought 4: 150%
Gallente Dreadnought 5: 167%

Assuming there is both a damage and rate of fire bonus.


The 42% dmg increase if by far superior the dps you could get with 5 sentry out, right?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#17 - 2011-11-02 23:12:55 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

The 42% dmg increase if by far superior the dps you could get with 5 sentry out, right?


hell yes... crazy dps with blasters now... need to buy faction tracking comps so i can do 11k dps out to 70 km... and with 5 min siege mode or even better tech II siege mod that gives 800% damage boost... so 11k just went even higherPirate

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