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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Metis Laxon
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#661 - 2011-11-02 17:03:09 UTC
Ayumi Hinoki wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Oswald Patsee wrote:
EVE is about flying in space. Anything else is a different game that just screws up EVE and flying in space.

This guy knows what's up.


Sure, trading, industry, exploration, planetary interaction and other fields of EVE Online just ruin the game.

Have you noticed that there are more skill groups than Gunnery, Spaceship Command or Missile Launcher Operation? Even if you don't use them, they exist and are the primary source of income and gameplay style for a lot of players.

Take a look at this, this, this, and also this if you have time, because EVE is not just about flying in space. Is a lot more than that.


I couldn't agree more here.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#662 - 2011-11-02 17:41:54 UTC
For now i would be happy with a corp only area.

I'm guessing that CCP can't get WIS to work and are just pretending that they have decided to concentrate more on ships... I mean what are they really doing? Adding features that people have been asking for for years and ships that users have designed?

I want to see all the little things that **** me off every day fixed and existing features improved and expanded on. I don't want new bug ridden content.

WIS stations needs to be a fleshed out game with it's own skill tree, items and gameplay. Anything less is not worth the development cost/time.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#663 - 2011-11-02 17:45:14 UTC
Ambulation
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated
#664 - 2011-11-02 17:45:20 UTC
Ayumi Hinoki wrote:

Have you noticed that there are more skill groups than Gunnery, Spaceship Command or Missile Launcher Operation? Even if you don't use them, they exist and are the primary source of income and gameplay style for a lot of players.

Take a look at this, this, this, and also this if you have time, because EVE is not just about flying in space. Is a lot more than that.

This guy knows what's up.

-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#665 - 2011-11-02 18:30:29 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP! A lot of us want WiS

We already have WiS.

... on our own in a small shoebox.

Sadly, we won't get more - if anything at all - for a long time (well more shoeboxes).
Better get used to the idea.
Kinroi Alari
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#666 - 2011-11-02 19:20:32 UTC

I like FiS (I'll lurve it more after the hybrids get balanced! ).*
I like WiS (I damn well want Gallente and Caldari CQs, and I think Carbon has issues).
I'm hoping that they'll continue the overdue FiS fixes, yet will have some kind of joint WiS area for EVE/DUST514 avatars.
(*No, I'm still not expecting Gallente ships to actually become feasible; but that's why I lurve Guristas ships.)

But you know what I really lurve?
I love the tears of rage this FiS/WiS controversy evokes.
Know what they remind me of?

I don't roleplay -- but the tears from this debate are nigh as tasty as those from all the anti-roleplayers who wail and moan about carebear RPers and PVEers, while the anti-roleplayers play a space game where they camp gates in their underwater internet spreadsheets, backlit by the (soon to be moar awesome) nebulae. It's joyous irony! Big smile
Jita Alt666
#667 - 2011-11-02 19:37:34 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions


The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#668 - 2011-11-02 20:03:22 UTC
EVE Stig wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes


The OP isnt counting votes, just likes (I gave you one btw)


Not really setting out to count anything. Just to prove there is support for CCP to continue with some sort of WiS work in the background while working on FiS.

Seemed have accomplished that quite nicely if I do say so myself! Big smile

Issler



Except every few posts you count how many people ARE fot WiS and who arent... Im for WiS, Im not for lying supporters of it.


I haven't counted ANY posts. And my post started out to prove there are SOME people that wanted WiS work to continue contrary to Himlars comments. I am saying even without counting this thread proves that nicely.

So get your facts straight.

Issler
StuRyan
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#669 - 2011-11-02 20:09:31 UTC
WTF is Wis Shocked

Shocked

OMFG GTFO LMFAO
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#670 - 2011-11-02 20:31:28 UTC
The idea that CCP had infinite resources so they could work on everything all the time turned out to be false.

So they had to prioritize their resources.

Hence instead of space second life, we are getting the changes in the winter expansion. It seems the player base is very happy about it. I know I am.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Hikaru Kuroda
Extheria
#671 - 2011-11-02 21:05:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Hikaru Kuroda
If we take a peak of the upcoming features for the winter expansion, they're mainly deploying PvP focused content.

But what about the current boring mining system? It's famous because you fall asleep playing EVE that way. Or Planetary Interaction? It's like a casual minigame. And so a lot of gameplay styles.

CCP can't focus on other content that's not PvP because you guys never stop crying out loud or flooding the forums. It's healthy and constructive to complain about the NeX store or things that hurts the game, but not to every single feature that has nothing to do with PvP, even when it has not been finished.

What I cannot understand is what's the purpose of demoralizing every player that supports Incarna imposing your game style. They're just exposing their opinion of what was promised in Ambulation and what we have now (an unfinished product with no content), and they never negated or underestimated the value or priority of FiS over other features.

Come on, we fought for the same game this summer in Jita/Amarr/Dodixie, why fight each other now?
Kinroi Alari
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#672 - 2011-11-02 21:11:35 UTC
Hikaru Kuroda wrote:
Come on, we fought for the same game this summer in Jita/Amarr/Dodixie, why fight each other now?


To some (though not all), the forums are yet another PVP venue?

Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#673 - 2011-11-02 21:15:38 UTC
I agree we want WIS, but mostly we need too have something too do in WIS. This prison cell wont cut it.

Abandoning WIS because of some NULL whiners is not a good strategi. There isent much too do in space accept get ISK so you can pvp this also needs to change. If we want more subscribers we need more gamplay options....


1 Fix the bounty system... I have an idea that I know would work, and would activate alot of players
2 Smuggling needs to be brought back to life, let players police it. Lots of fun **** to happen there.
3 Fix Null sec, more profit compared to highsec etc etc make it worth doing
4 Drug manafacturing(boosters) need to be something you can get into easy and fast. And most of all it needs to be WORTH doing = profitabal.
5. More law and Order in highsec space.. If you shoot someone you instanly get -0,1 standings and Bounty licenced corps can shoot you anywhere ( yes even In highsec, and if they shoot back concord comes to help)
6. Pirate Null should work as highsec accept nobody safves you if you get attacked, but you cant enter it unless you have negative sec status = free heaven for PIRATES.
7. Fix fraction warfare (PLEASE)

Bottom line the game has so many unfinished fetures or broken fetures, that has piled up over the years that CCP needs to fix them before bringing in more...
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#674 - 2011-11-02 22:52:38 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions


The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit.


+1 for changing my statement into something else entirely, -10 for trying to pass off that false quote as factual.

A rational and intelligent Human Being wouldn't alter quotes while trying to prove a point.

Jita Alt666
#675 - 2011-11-02 22:56:06 UTC
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
I agree we want WIS, but mostly we need too have something too do in WIS. This prison cell wont cut it.

Abandoning WIS because of some NULL whiners is not a good strategi. There isent much too do in space accept get ISK so you can pvp this also needs to change. If we want more subscribers we need more gamplay options....


1 Fix the bounty system... I have an idea that I know would work, and would activate alot of players
2 Smuggling needs to be brought back to life, let players police it. Lots of fun **** to happen there.
3 Fix Null sec, more profit compared to highsec etc etc make it worth doing
4 Drug manafacturing(boosters) need to be something you can get into easy and fast. And most of all it needs to be WORTH doing = profitabal.
5. More law and Order in highsec space.. If you shoot someone you instanly get -0,1 standings and Bounty licenced corps can shoot you anywhere ( yes even In highsec, and if they shoot back concord comes to help)
6. Pirate Null should work as highsec accept nobody safves you if you get attacked, but you cant enter it unless you have negative sec status = free heaven for PIRATES.
7. Fix fraction warfare (PLEASE)

Bottom line the game has so many unfinished fetures or broken fetures, that has piled up over the years that CCP needs to fix them before bringing in more...


Is your number 1 the same as number 5?
Bounty licensing corps sounds like an interesting concept. Working it in with the current concord system would make for dynamic player content in empire.

Number 6 seems pretty silly:
I'm not sure why your sec status should limit your access to space. A similar system to faction space and sec staus in empire could be introduced by dividing the sandbox up seems a bit out of context.

Agree with smuggling. Need the ability to create demand before it will take off though
Agree with 0.0 buff.
Agree with faction warfare

All of these can be instanced using the current FIS interfacing.

The big challenge is how to add value to concepts by utilising WIS interfacing.
Jita Alt666
#676 - 2011-11-02 22:59:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Bitter, pointless, lashing out at people, with no basis for attack and making completely inaccurate and laughable assumptions


The world is not black and white. WIS is potentially a great addition to the Eve Future. It is possible for a rational and intelligent Human Being to understand that and see that the issues raised by some of the FIS first people contain merit.


+1 for changing my statement into something else entirely, -10 for trying to pass off that false quote as factual.

A rational and intelligent Human Being wouldn't alter quotes while trying to prove a point.




hahah. That is not an attempt to pass of a false quote as factual. Roll That is a dismissive summary of your post.

Many rational and intelligent human beings have made alterations to items other perceive as being factual. By many I mean all.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#677 - 2011-11-03 00:25:23 UTC
All of you saying "If you don't like FiS then EvE isn't for you" are the ones that will ultimately kill EvE or at the very least prevent CCP from ever increasing their profits. MMO's have to change and bring new and fresh things to survive. EvE has done so by doing exactly this so far but to completely ignore all the people out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't walk around outside your ship is stupidity.

Ignorance really is bliss in EvE as made evident by many of you in this thread alone.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#678 - 2011-11-03 02:07:18 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
All of you saying "If you don't like FiS then EvE isn't for you" are the ones that will ultimately kill EvE or at the very least prevent CCP from ever increasing their profits. MMO's have to change and bring new and fresh things to survive. EvE has done so by doing exactly this so far but to completely ignore all the people out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't walk around outside your ship is stupidity.

Ignorance really is bliss in EvE as made evident by many of you in this thread alone.



Yeah but the question is *how* are they going to keep it fresh? Most of us who are going to play a sci fi game are men. Denying this is just ignorant.

Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.

So if they want to appeal the correct demographic they will give us more ways to blow stuff up not more ways to dress up.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated
#679 - 2011-11-03 02:19:25 UTC
Cearain wrote:

Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.

Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes."

-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#680 - 2011-11-03 02:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Ranka Mei wrote:
Cearain wrote:

Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic.

Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes."



Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses.

They are talking about dressing up computer avatars.

You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815