EVE General Discussion

Yea I don't mind it:)
Just needs more players in my poo timezone

I wouldn't be surprised that some in CCP would be against the implementation of FW since it stands in stark contrast with one fundamental idea that the developers keeps describing eve with – for players, by players. One of the most awsome things with CCP is that they repeatedly state that they have a hands off stance towards the game but introducing factional warfare was contradicting that view since up to that point the players were the ones creating the premise for conflict but now CCP interfered with the player driven universe and created a "artificial" or developer created reason to wage war.

On a personal note the introduction of fw was one of the reasons why i took a very long break from Eve back in the days. It felt tlike CCP was wandering away from one of their core principles – much like how people who quits or takes breaks over the NEX-drama feels today. Admittedly the ones who complained about fw on that level back in the days were very few.

So you are against CCP creating alliances as well, since they were added to the game by CCP? Or maybe missions. Or incursions???

CCP provide the players with TOOLS (of which, FW is one of them, albeit a little bit broken) to make our content with...

Get a FHC login and make your case there. The CSM can't really follow the drivel here on eve-o because of the high Rétard/Signal ratio. On FHC the rage is much higher, but the debate gets followed more closely.

CCP has historically been slow to fix broken features. However, the Winter expansion is largely one big "fix broke stuff" expansion with a couple of new ships thrown in for good measure. So I think if they can correct course on things like blasters, which have been broken for years, there is hope for Faction Warfare, even if they're prioritizing other things first.

As far as concerns that the FW "fix" will be insufficient, again, I'd say how they're handling blasters is how I'd expect them to handle it. The fix might not be satisfactory to everyone, but I have faith the the new, leaner, humbler CCP will continue to monitor and tweak whatever fix(es) they do make until it's actually a fun part of the game.

Maybe I'm just a naive optimist.

^^ This.

ARETR has lost a significant amount of dedicated pilots, either to 0.0 or totally from Eve. So congratulations CCP. You managed to get some people out of low sec into 0.0 at the cost of losing some subs.

When people who did FW for as long as some of these players did leave, it is time to sit up and take notice and ask why...

Just to give people a help along - chasing mission SB that 9/10 you can't catch on a gate was the cloak and warp IS NOT FUN... Same as sitting on a button for 30 minutes IS NOT FUN.

I totally agree. I'm even fine with waiting till summer expansion (not like I have a choice) if it means a more fully fledged, well thought out expansion of the feature.

At this point, my frustration isn't really about how far along developers are in the process, its about how they communicate about their progress. Hence, my seperation of this thread from the actual discussion about Faction Warfare fixes.

If Faction Warfare fixes are all far too reaching to be implemented in time for Winter Expansion, than all they have to do is say so. With zero clue as to if and any fixes are even being considered, the conversation is going to keep going in circles over and over again, instead of focusing the feedback on the features they actually can implement. That was my whole point of starting that thread.

As I've stated before, Soundwave's single idea, which was unrelated to any of the other ideas brought forth by the community, could have been dropped into the thread without even reading what is there. The lack of response to the most common ideas being floated combined with the single unrelated "fix", indicates that CCP really has nothing concrete in mind for this current expansion. Thats fine if thats the case, I understand there is a backlog of other stuff to work on. My objection is that they stated that FW would be a part of the expansion, than fell silent like they have for years now.

Please CCP, just tell us the truth. Either you're working on fixes and listening to feedback, and just can't reveal details yet, or you've decided to postpone FW till next expansion. Or, you've decided to never revist FW. Regardless of which of the three it is, we deserve to know if we are being taken seriously, or if our efforts are better placed elsewhere.

Cearain - Soundwave said that the deadline for features in the winter expansion was coming due and he was trying to work out what could be put into this expansion.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/12/06/eve-evolved-the-faction-warfare-mission-debacle/

here's a good article about the history of FW.

More directly to the OP's point, here's a quote from Noah where he was supporting the idea of FW ( at least at some point )


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Yeah, the initial vision that was presented while FW was still in the planning stages was pure :awesome: .. unfortunately it ran into the exact same problem that the sovereignty overhaul did .. lack of funds/manpower/bwaiiinz!.
So they started crossing "expensive" items of the list which led to many "inexpensive" things being axed as they depended on them and so on, result was broken FW and a null that is in many ways even worse than what came before.

Is it any wonder that it is on the eternal to-do list when the ball was whittled down to the size of a pea before being dropped .. they can't even find the blasted thing any more!