Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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That's nuts. Make their DPS increase mods compete for slots with the launchers themselves, or at best with their utility highs? Yeah, that makes tons of sense. I suppose if you're a Minnie fans it works, seeing as it gives you something to do with those highs on the Typhoon, but for the rest, it's daft.

So anyone use them on meds? Nope, almost every missile ship have free high slot, and that will help them a lot, buffing missiles? In some ways yes but only missile buff makes TP another useless (in terms no one use them) mod.
Btw. TP help turrets too.
With TP on higs slots ravens will be finally used at pvp, and think about typhoons...

I would kick a baby to have the new cruise on stealth bombers..I actually miss the old cruise bombers.
Well not the fact they couldnt warp while cloaked but with this change, they would be amazing.

Actually, I would kick a whole orphanage full of babies.

So who's flying alone in BS on pvp?
Take 3xTyphoon with expl velo bonus and everyone have 1xTP, that gives 3xTP on a target... BC's and BS's would melt from Rage torpedoes
Counter? Don't get in range like blasters
Ravens have range but not expl velo bonus so need to speed tank portion of that damage

And no one sacrifice tank or something else for TP, BS's have weak tanks already (for their price and useful)

Other option is buff BS's tank for about 1/3 of it's current state and give them more meds or special slot that can be fitted only for one BS's designed modules like MJD or target breaker.

I think the problem with mods is that CM and Torps were (as with all missiles) originally intended to not use or need an equivalent to a tracking or range mod. Target Painters were supposed to fill a similar slot to Tracking Disruptors, but in reverse - a TD reduces incoming DPS, a TP increases outgoing DPS.

However, over time big missiles have become unable to apply damage effectively without Painters, and so these have changed from being a reverse TD to being the missiles' equivalent to a Tracking Computer (but with better scaling because they aid your whole side, and more universal application because TPs buff guns as well). So we have a situation where CM and Torps need tracking/range mods, but have only one - the TP. Now the TP does have the effect of being a local and remote mod in one, but it's also far more limited in effect - for turrets you can get mid or low modules and they affect both range and tracking. Missiles just get the single, mid-only, 'tracking'-only module. [Not considering rigs, because all systems get those]

So, we need for either CMs and Torps to go back to not needing mods (and probably being a little worse than a turret system that has so many mods that the ship in question has forsaken everything else for gank, but better than an un-modded turret system), or for them to have the full range of mods and balanced around that. I favour the former because it's a point of difference, and simpler fitting makes up a little for harder to apply damage.

Damage remains laughable even with 3 TP's on small targets.. I can't hit fast moving cruisers in PvE with fury for more than half the dmg with dual rigor II's, max skills and a RF TP.. Now think about Rage torps on boats without rigors on player controlled targets.. ;)

It wouldn't change anything at all, besides the fact that you wouldn't be able to Dual TP a missile boat any longer..

Edit: Oh, and 20 m/s more explo-velocity wouldn't change much.. ;)
Edit 2: Oh, and the Phoon will have plenty options to fit TP's ;)

Firewalls are fine, they should be a valid counter, because they come with a price.

Not by much. Ammunition is no isk sink at all, it just means that part of your mission income will end up at some poor miner that is working for a slave wage so that you can shoot more. And on the way to this miner all involved middle mans will be happy. The ISK sink is when you buy something on the market, as the little market fee is the only isk sink that is involved.

please biomass yourself :D

Hey. I just wanted to post my proposal in there too. So in the caldari thread some of us are discussing some pretty good changes we would like to see happen to missile ships, but It might be a bit much. anyways I wanted to propose in light of the changes we want to make, please tone down the damage and rate of fire by 5%, to keep balance. but only if our changes would be voted green light by CCP Rise.

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in light of the update we now get only 5% rof bonus so i revoke my rof tone down. it is toned down quite enough