Warfare & Tactics

As i said i didnt like the idea of it being like null sec Sorry but you seem to have twisted what im saying. I meant if we have timers the real pvpers can form up and fight for these systems(the attackers get LPs for taking the system kinda of like you do with a bunker bust) and maybe just have plexes as a side feature(no LPs), If people want isk and lots of LPs then they have to run missions which doesnt affect the sov..


As for the rats, isnt shooting a generated rat player v environment and not player v player whichever way you cut it? If someone warps into your mission and blaps you while your doing it does it then become a pvp mechanic and make missions pvp based?

before the flames start about solo pvp, militia=army so more than one person should be fighting for these sytems at all times.(and i did say leave plexes in as a side feature for even shipclass fights)

the real opinion you have to change is the opinion of the other 90% of sytems meaning nothing i dont see any real suggestions that make these systems more desirable. all over eve people live with or close to there allies for defensive reason and these home sytems are really the only place they care about if you lose it its a nightmare logistics wise due to station lockout.... but if u lose a back water who cares really?

glad you enjoyed killing this forgotten POS

really. everyone had it forgotten until we found killmail.... Holidays in Russia - no one wants to waste time in some spaceship internet game.... Nature, vodka and all this stuff

But the thing that was nice about the cashout system is you didn't need to hit tier 5 multiple times. Just once and suddenly all your plexing time had just as much value as every other factions.

Now that never happens. If you plex for the losing side, you just get less for the same time put in. Thats why the cashout system was fundementally more balanced than the current system.

And really when there was no lp for defensive plexing every miltia likely could have been able to hit tier 5. If they couldn't there were tweaks that could have been done to make it so they could. What tweaks needed to happen, depended on what phase of getting to a tier 5 cashout was giving them problems.

Plus of course ccp needed, and still needs, to deal with rabbit plexing. People seem to blame the cashout system for the the rampant farming. But the cashout system itself did not cause it. Having too high of lp payout did cause it. The price slash at tier 5 was too steep. But also on a related note another reason we have fewer farmers now is because the lp is just devalued.

The actual cashout system itself did not cause farming. If the price cut was only 50% at tier five we would not have had as much farming even with the cashout system. The steep price cuts did introduce allot of new blood to fw so it does make some sense. If you are going to spend allot of resources on an area of space you might as well encourage people to try it out. Thats why i predict the null sec changes will lead to people getting crazy rich as well. After several months the nerf bat will be used.

Now this is wrong before it wasnt worth cashing out at tier 1 because u payed 2-3 times as much for faction items than ur enemy when they were hitting t5 so the scale difference was huge.

Now the way we do it now everyone cashes out for the same price and yes if your on the losing side the lp you earn is less but that is offset with the actual price of your faction items @ market...

And for the "winning" side because they have so much lp available there items ar currently devalued so much at market it nt really worth the time if i had a minnie alt i wouldnt be spending nething atm and waiting for the navy canes atleast they should have some value when there introduced

But tier spiking did cause massive market slumps because everyone and there dog were cashing out on the same day and peddling there wears at the same time atleast now people cash out when they want/need to so it seems a much fairer system imo apart from t1 being -50% or whater i think t1 should be base price(no penalty) or a small drop like -10% and everything from there upwards a bonus and this system would work perfectly.

Edit also forgot that tier spiking and the massive lp store reductions killed every other lp shop in the game

You're failing to read again. I said you only need to hit tier 5 once to get the same value for your time. No one but a fool cashed their lp in at tier1.

Let me repeat with emphasis on the part you seemed to miss under the current mechanics "if you plex for the losing side, you just get less for the same time put in."

Since with only a few minor tweaks everyone should have been able to hit tier 5 (everyone but amarr did hit tier 5) that was a much more balanced and interesting system.

I pretty much agree that is *one* way to make it more of a pvp system. As you point out it will make the pvp even more blobby.

The other option is to give pvpers better intel tools so they can spread out and fight for sov more efficiently. Last we heard this latter method is what ccp is planning on doing.

Sorry Veshta but I was regularly getting 5-18k isk per lp before inferno. Inferno and retri definitely killed the value of lp.

I think Veshta is at best refering to prices from years ago. There were several of these slumps and rises. You used to be able to deny missions until you got only the ones you wnated in the same system. That was nerfed. And there were several such tweaks that incereased and reduced value of fw lp.

But I dont think prices ever bottomed out like they have been in the last 8 months or so.

There may be some small rise, due to the overall economic consequences of winning being reduced by the october changes. Now with taxes and the lack of cashouts people arent really driven to achieve tier 5. No one really cares much about 90% of systems. With the cashouts, of course, militias had a reason to try to organize and win at least 80% of the systems.

The only time I have ever felt that Amarr had a handle on the sov game was the brief interlude between the emergency patch and Retribution. You HAD to kill the rats to make the timer move and there were 4-5 waves of them. The Minmatar plexing army dried up almost entirely.