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[Odyssey] Tech 1 Battleships - Gallente

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2301 - 2013-05-02 23:39:16 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
Please CCP Rise, Take a look at this tread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=228586&find=unread

I'm just an engineer trying to improve eve : )


BTW, it would be interesting, to rebalance gallente and caldari after this... ftw!

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
Bigg Gun
T.I.E. Inc.
#2302 - 2013-05-03 22:09:33 UTC
Somebody already said that drone control range shouldn't affect sentries, since they sit right next to your fat unmoving ass. It's a whole different story if you had to command drones that are some 100 km away.
If this change is made and the domi doesn't have to lose 2 high slots just to use the sentries "sniping" ability and just a mid for a sebo I can see the change as a good thing.

As it is now it's nothing but a nerf.
mama guru
Yazatas.
#2303 - 2013-05-04 14:11:39 UTC  |  Edited by: mama guru
Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:
Bigg Gun wrote:

Look you have 115 pages worth of complaints about the domi. Change it the hell back already !


Quite.
Unfortunately, after chucking out the fixes to the megathron and hyperion, rise vanished. I doubt the changes are actually up for debate now - it's been weeks.



They don't litsen because the current dominix is a peice of garbage, it embodies everything wrong with oldcshool ship designs. Split weaponsystems, insufficient fittings and options to capitalize on either very well. It's basically just a weaker megathron with 5 midslots now. We don't need three sub 20k gank blasterboats in the gallente lineup where two are only used with plates to camp in low/highsec and one is used with links for PVP videos.

Most dominixes today in the practical sense are equipped for using sentries and these changes will be insanely good. We might finally see a gallente presence in Battleship fleets. Sentries will have better range and tracking than pulse laser fits but they leave you with alot less mobility as a compromise.


Tiericide on the battleship level was much better than on the BC/Cruiser level as the roles are somewhat different now without going outside each races traditional strengths.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Broxus Maximas
Perkone
Caldari State
#2304 - 2013-05-04 15:16:05 UTC
mama guru wrote:
Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:
Bigg Gun wrote:

Look you have 115 pages worth of complaints about the domi. Change it the hell back already !


Quite.
Unfortunately, after chucking out the fixes to the megathron and hyperion, rise vanished. I doubt the changes are actually up for debate now - it's been weeks.



They don't litsen because the current dominix is a peice of garbage, it embodies everything wrong with oldcshool ship designs. Split weaponsystems, insufficient fittings and options to capitalize on either very well. It's basically just a weaker megathron with 5 midslots now. We don't need three sub 20k gank blasterboats in the gallente lineup where two are only used with plates to camp in low/highsec and one is used with links for PVP videos.

Most dominixes today in the practical sense are equipped for using sentries and these changes will be insanely good. We might finally see a gallente presence in Battleship fleets. Sentries will have better range and tracking than pulse laser fits but they leave you with alot less mobility as a compromise.


Tiericide on the battleship level was much better than on the BC/Cruiser level as the roles are somewhat different now without going outside each races traditional strengths.


A massive damage nerf and a fairly useless skill gained does nothing to make the domi any better. This current ship is a disaster.
Perihelion Olenard
#2305 - 2013-05-04 16:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Broxus Maximas wrote:

A massive damage nerf and a fairly useless skill gained does nothing to make the domi any better. This current ship is a disaster.

That's why I'll use the Armageddon, unless I need the extra med slot of the Dominix. I think the Armageddon has a more useful ship bonus for me. I don't like sentry drones. Plus, the Armageddon has a good amount of PG by comparison.
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#2306 - 2013-05-04 16:34:27 UTC
On the one hand, 3 drone damage mods and sentry drone damage rigs gives you 700dps from gardes.... On the other hand, that would be virtually impossible to use in most situations.

The domi doesn't feel like it'll be a fun ship to fly even though it might have some ******** and potentially OP stats..

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#2307 - 2013-05-04 18:23:16 UTC
A drone buff would be better than changing the Dominix, what's wrong with making sentries follow the host ship at a close orbit? They only advantage over other snipers they have is not needing ammo which doesn't make up for them being destructible and stationary. I can live in content with one of those drawbacks but with both it's too much for sentries to be viable on subcaps without massive bay

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Tom Guhl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2308 - 2013-05-05 00:06:24 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
A drone buff would be better than changing the Dominix, what's wrong with making sentries follow the host ship at a close orbit? They only advantage over other snipers they have is not needing ammo which doesn't make up for them being destructible and stationary. I can live in content with one of those drawbacks but with both it's too much for sentries to be viable on subcaps without massive bay

The problem with your idea is that it makes sense and sounds easy to implement.
sq0
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2309 - 2013-05-05 10:14:46 UTC
Sooo, after years of complaining about galente guns to be inferrior to others (except some veeeeery special situations) We don't have 8 turret bs as other races do. We have just 7 crappy hybrid turrets max. COOL
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#2310 - 2013-05-05 10:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
sq0 wrote:
Sooo, after years of complaining about galente guns to be inferrior to others (except some veeeeery special situations) We don't have 8 turret bs as other races do. We have just 7 crappy hybrid turrets max. COOL


Coupled with the respective boni to the hulls that's more than we ever asked for :>

In all honesty: Hyperion (with 9 effective turrets)! It looks great and is imo the go-to-fun-battleship next to ASB-maels for all kinds of solo or almost-solo scenarios. Exactly how it should be.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2311 - 2013-05-05 11:22:16 UTC
Domi as a dedicated drone ship wrote:
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% Drone Effects and Drone hitpoints
+10% Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed (replaces large hybrid turret damage)

Slot layout: 6H, 5M, 7L; 6 turrets , 0 launchers
Fittings: 10000 PWG(+1000), 600 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7200(+1731) / 8000(+1789) / 8500(+1859)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 6000(+1000) / 1087s / 5.51
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 109 / .1254 / 100250000(+3150000) / 16.88s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 400 (+25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km (+5) / 90 / 7
Sensor strength: 22 Magnetometric Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 465(+45)


So, expand the drone damage bonus to all drone effects, give a bit more drone bay and targeting range and that's it.

.
Bigg Gun
T.I.E. Inc.
#2312 - 2013-05-05 14:03:55 UTC
I can just see that sniper domi fleet getting hit by 5 bombers and losing all it's DPS... nice. Maybe if it came with carriers that could dispense sentries until the next bombing run ... Hahahahaha domi snipers. Even if drone control range didn't apply to sentries it would still be a bad idea. Unless you can somehow mount the sentries to the Domi hull and put them under the defense of their motherships sentry sniper fleet feels like a big fuсking failure
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#2313 - 2013-05-05 14:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe
sq0 wrote:
Sooo, after years of complaining about galente guns to be inferrior to others (except some veeeeery special situations) We don't have 8 turret bs as other races do. We have just 7 crappy hybrid turrets max. COOL


And one that has 6 guns, a 50% dmg bonus, and 125/175 drone bay...

Whiners need to stop whining and actually test out the changes. Gallente bs, other than the domi, are doing ******* great at the moment.
Avald Midular
Doomheim
#2314 - 2013-05-05 14:58:14 UTC
sq0 wrote:
Sooo, after years of complaining about galente guns to be inferrior to others (except some veeeeery special situations) We don't have 8 turret bs as other races do. We have just 7 crappy hybrid turrets max. COOL


Funny, the Amarr are trying to get both their 8 turret BS's switched to 6. CCP has a nasty habit of not upping the PG and cap to compensate enough so believe me it's a blessing as long as the damage bonus is upped as well.
TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#2315 - 2013-05-05 15:49:03 UTC
Please give the Hyperion new Hardpoint locations.

My Condor costs less than that module!
Broxus Maximas
Perkone
Caldari State
#2316 - 2013-05-05 16:21:10 UTC
Pattern Clarc wrote:
On the one hand, 3 drone damage mods and sentry drone damage rigs gives you 700dps from gardes.... On the other hand, that would be virtually impossible to use in most situations.

The domi doesn't feel like it'll be a fun ship to fly even though it might have some ******** and potentially OP stats..


700 DPS for a BS is rather terrible.

The new Domi sucks! The sad part is CCP Rise has just disappeared. I really had hoped more from him and was actually excited when I heard he was going to work with them. Now he is doing the normal game Dev thing and is nowhere to be found. I think its pretty clear that the community really does not like the CCP nerf to the Domi. So my question how are they going to work to make it better? I posted along with many others some solid ideas. I wonder if CCP is even reading them.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#2317 - 2013-05-05 16:34:34 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
Please give the Hyperion new Hardpoint locations.


This, this and more this. New layout look rather unfinished/sloppy.
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
#2318 - 2013-05-05 17:38:50 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
sq0 wrote:
Sooo, after years of complaining about galente guns to be inferrior to others (except some veeeeery special situations) We don't have 8 turret bs as other races do. We have just 7 crappy hybrid turrets max. COOL


And one that has 6 guns, a 50% dmg bonus, and 125/175 drone bay...

Whiners need to stop whining and actually test out the changes. Gallente bs, other than the domi, are doing ******* great at the moment.

Truthful statement. The Hyperion is a Bison and the Megathron shines brighter than ever. Both (revamped) changes have done the ships justice.

Save the drones!
sq0
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2319 - 2013-05-05 17:50:07 UTC
ExAstra wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
sq0 wrote:
Sooo, after years of complaining about galente guns to be inferrior to others (except some veeeeery special situations) We don't have 8 turret bs as other races do. We have just 7 crappy hybrid turrets max. COOL


And one that has 6 guns, a 50% dmg bonus, and 125/175 drone bay...

Whiners need to stop whining and actually test out the changes. Gallente bs, other than the domi, are doing ******* great at the moment.

Truthful statement. The Hyperion is a Bison and the Megathron shines brighter than ever. Both (revamped) changes have done the ships justice.



6x1.5 is still less tha 8*1.25, that other races have. OFC hyperion has extra heavy drone fleet, but it's less gunboat. Mega is gunboat, which will be stronger now, but still not fully dedicated, that 8*1.25
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#2320 - 2013-05-05 18:48:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Pattern Clarc
Broxus Maximas wrote:
Pattern Clarc wrote:
On the one hand, 3 drone damage mods and sentry drone damage rigs gives you 700dps from gardes.... On the other hand, that would be virtually impossible to use in most situations.

The domi doesn't feel like it'll be a fun ship to fly even though it might have some ******** and potentially OP stats..


700 DPS for a BS is rather terrible.

The new Domi sucks! The sad part is CCP Rise has just disappeared. I really had hoped more from him and was actually excited when I heard he was going to work with them. Now he is doing the normal game Dev thing and is nowhere to be found. I think its pretty clear that the community really does not like the CCP nerf to the Domi. So my question how are they going to work to make it better? I posted along with many others some solid ideas. I wonder if CCP is even reading them.

700 dps with double the tracking of rails, and 70km optimal before tracking links is pretty good for a battleship, and that's before any turrets, Not completely happy with the new domi either though, especially not at the new prices.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction