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so eve is just a game, let me tell you this

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Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#21 - 2013-05-05 11:41:32 UTC
Fish evolved to be land animals over an immense amount of time. Physical evolution takes huge time. Accidents and thousands of failures adding up to a success or two and a tiny progression in a direction good or bad.
For every creature that evolved to higher complexity, five more simplified themselves and became parasites on that more complex lifeform.
Cultural and technological evolution is much faster, after the wheel is invented, you can teach the principle of it in a moment. We now stand at a point in history where our morality is a few flipper-flops from that of bacteria, but our technology has allowed the sharpness of our hunger-to-know inside atoms and out to the quasars.
Fish didn't look at the land's surface and scheme: "We're gonna need a big damn tank up there, with a filter...."

Some say we need to preserve the environment, out of a deep respect for it and an understanding of our custodial place within it.
I say, Humanity is being born to the stars, we will change to become sky-travellers. We need to preserve the Earth's environment as much as a newborn needs to preserve the placenta that has nourished. You see many 35 year olds walking around with a placenta attached to their mother's? Not too often i bet.
Since there is a wall of maximum simplicity, it's in the nature of things to integrate and become more complex and refined. The idea of exporting our savage and regressive horror to the stars is untenable, much the same as the fishy plan to build tanks along the banks of the Nile.

What will one day look back at us as we look at coelenterate worms? Something that had to change to take to the skies.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-05-05 11:52:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Hessian Arcturus
You realise EVE physics, is nothing like the actual physics in space right? You cant pull sharp maneuvers or travel (as far as we know) faster than light. Movement in space is based on gyros that instead of rotating the gyro, it rotates the thing (shuttle, spacestation, whatever) around it. Not to mention shuttle movement is fueled by liquid oxygen and based around a series of small burst ignitions that shift the shuttle into position.

EDIT: Not to mention allthe other digressions from actual physics that EVE has...

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2013-05-05 12:00:42 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
You realise EVE physics, is nothing like the actual physics in space right? You cant pull sharp maneuvers or travel (as far as we know) faster than light. Movement in space is based on gyros that instead of rotating the gyro, it rotates the thing (shuttle, spacestation, whatever) around it. Not to mention shuttle movement is fueled by liquid oxygen and based around a series of small burst ignitions that shift the shuttle into position.

EDIT: Not to mention allthe other digressions from actual physics that EVE has...


you realise my post is about Imagination?
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-05-05 12:04:53 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
You realise EVE physics, is nothing like the actual physics in space right? You cant pull sharp maneuvers or travel (as far as we know) faster than light. Movement in space is based on gyros that instead of rotating the gyro, it rotates the thing (shuttle, spacestation, whatever) around it. Not to mention shuttle movement is fueled by liquid oxygen and based around a series of small burst ignitions that shift the shuttle into position.

EDIT: Not to mention allthe other digressions from actual physics that EVE has...


you realise my post is about Imagination?


Yes, but the fact is that imagination doesnt stretch that far when I have a degree in astrophysics and know the science behind space travel, movement etc...

My previous post was me having a go, it was just me explaining that physics as we know it, does not allow for a EVE like experience in space...

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-05-05 12:13:34 UTC
For a start Eve doesn't even utilise real physics, so unless that happens your argument is pretty much dead. Eve is more like a fantasy RPG about world domination. For a proper sci fi fan like myself Eve isn't realistic enough at all, and no way near enough to be thought of as any kind of simulator. Eve is a world domination simulator, but not a sci fi simulator.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-05-05 15:52:02 UTC
Masuka Taredi wrote:
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
How people imagine the future has, by looking at history, been wrong practically without exception. The 20th century "house of the future" had huge computers, robots, all glossy-white surfaces etc. What actually happened was computers got much smaller, not bigger. Take 2001, the size of Hal, for example. We certainly don't have AI, but we have much smaller computers.

So even our relatively short-term "predictions" of the future are pretty off. Now you're extrapolating not just decades, or centuries, but thousands of years into the future, and imaging somehow that this game (which would have to be venerated for just as many thousands of years to survive) will help real spaceflight. Not only is this wrong on gameplay level (there is no drag in space, you don't just burn your engines towards where you want to go, you manipulate your orbit and let gravity do the work, jump-gates are completely far-fetched), but you also assume the human race will still be alive in thousands of years.

tl;dr: Eve is just a game, don't kid yourself into thinking you're serving some grand purpose.


Finally someone speaking sense in this thread. Eve's gameplay alone isn't even representative of how space works. It's like flying in soup.


my post was not about gameplay it was about your mind and Imagination...
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-05-05 15:53:21 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
You realise EVE physics, is nothing like the actual physics in space right? You cant pull sharp maneuvers or travel (as far as we know) faster than light. Movement in space is based on gyros that instead of rotating the gyro, it rotates the thing (shuttle, spacestation, whatever) around it. Not to mention shuttle movement is fueled by liquid oxygen and based around a series of small burst ignitions that shift the shuttle into position.

EDIT: Not to mention allthe other digressions from actual physics that EVE has...


you realise my post is about Imagination?


Yes, but the fact is that imagination doesnt stretch that far when I have a degree in astrophysics and know the science behind space travel, movement etc...

My previous post was me having a go, it was just me explaining that physics as we know it, does not allow for a EVE like experience in space...


your studies seem to hold you back from real imagination
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2013-05-05 15:56:31 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
For a start Eve doesn't even utilise real physics, so unless that happens your argument is pretty much dead. Eve is more like a fantasy RPG about world domination. For a proper sci fi fan like myself Eve isn't realistic enough at all, and no way near enough to be thought of as any kind of simulator. Eve is a world domination simulator, but not a sci fi simulator.


you as well suffer the lack of imagine something byond the game, it seems you can not reach further and are holdback by the game mechanics alone, the game is just a starting point to reach further, thats what it should be used for, but however, it seems most people see just the pixels, pretty sad
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-05-05 16:05:48 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
For a start Eve doesn't even utilise real physics, so unless that happens your argument is pretty much dead. Eve is more like a fantasy RPG about world domination. For a proper sci fi fan like myself Eve isn't realistic enough at all, and no way near enough to be thought of as any kind of simulator. Eve is a world domination simulator, but not a sci fi simulator.


you as well suffer the lack of imagine something byond the game, it seems you can not reach further and are holdback by the game mechanics alone, the game is just a starting point to reach further, thats what it should be used for, but however, it seems most people see just the pixels, pretty sad


Nope. As a science fiction fan we appreciate imagination to be based upon reality. That is the whole point of science fiction. Some of the greatest works of science fiction had massive leaps of the imagination from the authors, but all when grounded in reality. That is why I don't watch any of this new superhero and vampire crap they keep releasing these days, it is a complete fantasy world, unlike science fiction which is actually possible. Some of the greatest science fiction writers actually predicted in their writings things which came to pass as technology caught up. That is the beauty of science fiction, what is in your imagination can actually become a reality.

CCP only introduced the fluid model to make the game more intuitive to people who didn't understand how space works. But did you know the original intention was to have full newtonian physics? It is a shame that never happened.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2013-05-05 16:16:53 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
For a start Eve doesn't even utilise real physics, so unless that happens your argument is pretty much dead. Eve is more like a fantasy RPG about world domination. For a proper sci fi fan like myself Eve isn't realistic enough at all, and no way near enough to be thought of as any kind of simulator. Eve is a world domination simulator, but not a sci fi simulator.


you as well suffer the lack of imagine something byond the game, it seems you can not reach further and are holdback by the game mechanics alone, the game is just a starting point to reach further, thats what it should be used for, but however, it seems most people see just the pixels, pretty sad


Nope. As a science fiction fan we appreciate imagination to be based upon reality. That is the whole point of science fiction. Some of the greatest works of science fiction had massive leaps of the imagination from the authors, but all when grounded in reality. That is why I don't watch any of this new superhero and vampire crap they keep releasing these days, it is a complete fantasy world, unlike science fiction which is actually possible. Some of the greatest science fiction writers actually predicted in their writings things which came to pass as technology caught up. That is the beauty of science fiction, what is in your imagination can actually become a reality.

CCP only introduced the fluid model to make the game more intuitive to people who didn't understand how space works. But did you know the original intention was to have full newtonian physics? It is a shame that never happened.


i see it as a starting point for our own Imagination, I do not mind that there are differences to todays knowledge
Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-05-05 16:27:05 UTC
It does bring a tear to my eye that someday mankind will reach out to the stars and finally grasp them, beginning the final exploration of the human race, where we collectively lift our race to the stars, so that we may be complete assholes to eachother.

*sniffle*
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#32 - 2013-05-05 17:35:51 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
simulations like EVE


EVE is about as much of a simulation as Second Life.

Mr Epeen Cool
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2013-05-05 18:02:06 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
simulations like EVE


EVE is about as much of a simulation as Second Life.

Mr Epeen Cool


do you understand my post or just see the words? just wondering...
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-05-05 19:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

20,000 years ago we were living in caves, 20,000 years from now we might be living in a galaxy wide civilisation, something like Star Wars morphed with Eve BUT without the star gates, as we make things small the more we know how to do it. Think computers.

The star gates method of moving around will be compressed and miniaturised to fit into ships of all sizes, and will be called 'hyperdrives'.

AND without the pods, Clear Skies is the way, on the bridge, and with crews, not sat in a bath of goo, that is just this games mechanics.

Think the vision of Star Wars its ships and its galaxy - our Milky Way - merged with Eve and Eve's ships, and with Eve ships able to land on planets like in SW.

That's my imagination of where we are heading. Remember it took just 50 years to go from the Wright Brothers Flyer 1 to commercial airliners, and around 70 years to go from Dr Robert Goddards rocket to the over expensive space truck call the Shuttle.
ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#35 - 2013-05-05 22:27:06 UTC
Moved from General Discussion to Out of Pod Experience.


Please remember to be respectful and post constructively. Thank you!

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Tukee
Emperor Scythes
The Initiative.
#36 - 2013-05-06 00:01:11 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
time will come when we finally reach out into space far byond our imagination, simulations like EVE will then be remembered as tools to prepare our minds for this great endevour



Fat, dumb and out your tree is no way to live your life son.

I can say fat with a certain amount of confidence....ok ok overweight.

ps.

why is cccp giving away presents ? did a gm get lucky or something ?



Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#37 - 2013-05-06 04:53:38 UTC
What the **** is this ****?

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#38 - 2013-05-06 05:28:32 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
time will come when we finally reach out into space far byond our imagination, simulations like EVE will then be remembered as tools to prepare our minds for this great endevour


I'd like to think that if/when we do the space thing properly, those who run it won't be sending us sociopaths out to test it out.

NASA are care bears, deal with it.


It's about Imagination, like sience fiction books have been the reason why we even go to moon, your sociopath angry kid bla bla did not add anything meaningful


People did incredible things without science fiction. Crossing oceans, flying the first plane, antibiotics . . . They weren't a result of science fiction. People dreamt of going to the moon a long time before science fiction was a thing. Science fiction happened because people dreamt of going to the moon, not the other way around.


hah! people couldn't even make civilization or build pyramids without aliens helping them. or didn't you know?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-05-06 05:30:12 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
time will come when we finally reach out into space far byond our imagination, simulations like EVE will then be remembered as tools to prepare our minds for this great endevour


I'd like to think that if/when we do the space thing properly, those who run it won't be sending us sociopaths out to test it out.

NASA are care bears, deal with it.


It's about Imagination, like sience fiction books have been the reason why we even go to moon, your sociopath angry kid bla bla did not add anything meaningful


People did incredible things without science fiction. Crossing oceans, flying the first plane, antibiotics . . . They weren't a result of science fiction. People dreamt of going to the moon a long time before science fiction was a thing. Science fiction happened because people dreamt of going to the moon, not the other way around.


hah! people couldn't even make civilization or build pyramids without aliens helping them. or didn't you know?


Testify!Big smile

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Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2013-05-06 08:09:11 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Right, because playing a submarine simulator with a starscape skybox is totally a good simulation for actual spaceflight, and that will totally happen in a timeframe where EVE is even remembered,


you and your cute little button nose are mean!

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