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T1 weapons maelstrom or T2 weapons sleipnir for lvl4 missions ?
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Amelia O
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-04 09:04:59 UTC
Is the sleipnir much slower to make missions with than the maelstrom ?
I'm still training large projectiles to V and it will take a while , so I'm thinking of buying a sleipnir and flying with it for now.

what do you think ?
Col Arran
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-05-04 11:57:17 UTC
I think you should EFT it up for yourself
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3 - 2013-05-04 12:07:19 UTC
Last I looked into it, the Sleipnir had some (read:lots of) range issues in L4 missions.

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#4 - 2013-05-04 13:47:02 UTC
As mentioned due to range issues, a t1 gun mael will still outperform a Sleipnir, however the lack of Barrage hurts, so it may be quite close since you can't use t2 guns, as said, EFT it up and see the applied damage at range.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-04 14:42:58 UTC
arty sleip?

why not?

It's fitted like a beefed up cane but obviously shield boosted instead of passive tanked.

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Amelia O
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-04 14:51:31 UTC
Well , thanks for the answers.
I tried EFTING both and sleipnir looked ok , but one thing I overlooked was the range.(I dont know much about lvl 4 missions)
I'll try more fits for both.
maybe artie sleipnir would be nice.
Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#7 - 2013-05-04 15:09:06 UTC
There's not really much reason to train T2 weapons for Mael. Only real advantage is T2 Ammo which is situational at best. Aside from that, fittings on T2 1400s are tough to work wil. I fly a Mael with Meta 4 1400s in higher end 0.0 Sansha anoms with little effort.

Try something along the lines of this. Will take reasonable fitting skills and is very close on CPU. Fitting T2 1400s would take some major compromises.

Can be adjusted for damage specific resists and/or a MJD if that fits your tactics better.


[Maelstrom, New Setup 1]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
100MN Afterburner II

1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-04 23:43:27 UTC
T2 autocannons on a Mael can be nice, because of the access to Barrage (if you've got a largely short-range mission that also throws some long-range boats at you, or you want to open range and snipe frigates before chainsawing the heavier rats). For artillery, on the other hand, M4 guns will pack a good wallop at any range (the +1 falloff for short-range ammo is beyond the Mael's targeting range). There's not much call for Quake or Tremor.

In fact, the only shortcoming I can see is that there's no short-range, high-damage projectile round with a good kinetic punch.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2013-05-05 04:35:13 UTC
Arti Sleipnir is good fun:

[Sleipnir, mishin arties cheap]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
[empty high slot]

Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator II
Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator II

AC Sleip posts ridiculous damage numbers but has range issues:

[Sleipnir, mishin]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Domination X-Large Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I

Or you can fit with MWD instead and better mitigate those issues. Or even dual prop the damn thing.

Mael is probably equal or better than all but the arti fit. But the Sleipnir is way more fun to fly.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#10 - 2013-05-05 09:44:58 UTC
Dyphorus wrote:
There's not really much reason to train T2 weapons[....]

It depends how *much* you value unstacked +8% or +10% to damage.