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much closer to earth tech then you think?

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Freya Kaundur
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-05-02 19:22:35 UTC
i believe new eden tech is much closer to earth tech then people believe. yes there was thousands of years where there was no scientific progress. but once space flight was achieved tech grew by leaps and bounds. with salvage archeology sites bringing in new understandings and tech. a civilization would progress much faster then starting from scratch.
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
Ixian Machines
#2 - 2013-05-02 20:16:34 UTC
But don't forget the Earth tech was at similar level when the EVE wormhole was discovered. So unless something happened to stop/backtrack the tech on earth they should be much more advanced right now than any of the races in New Eden.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#3 - 2013-05-02 20:35:14 UTC
At the time of the collapse Terran technology was substantially more advanced than present tech in New Eden. For instance, the Eve Gate is something that New Eden wouldn't have the technology or logistics to emulate and the superweapon used by Jamyl at the battle of Battle of Mekhios was far beyond present weapons technology.
Niko medes
Freeman Technologies
#4 - 2013-05-02 23:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Niko medes
As stated above my post, Earth tech that was discovered was far more advanced than what the four empires currently have. So it wouldn't be too far fetched to assume, unless something crazy happened, Earth and friends are unimaginably more powerful than we are now. Jovians probably wouldn't even stand a chance and hell, we can barely fight them ship to ship.
Just Another Capsuleer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-05-03 02:53:44 UTC
David Forge wrote:
At the time of the collapse Terran technology was substantially more advanced than present tech in New Eden. For instance, the Eve Gate is something that New Eden wouldn't have the technology or logistics to emulate and the superweapon used by Jamyl at the battle of Battle of Mekhios was far beyond present weapons technology.

Yes yes. And the warp drives that can barely reach the speed of light and consume fuel. Sarum "superweapon" can be just an overloaded reactor, for example.
Freya Kaundur
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-05-03 13:24:50 UTC
Just Another Capsuleer wrote:
David Forge wrote:
At the time of the collapse Terran technology was substantially more advanced than present tech in New Eden. For instance, the Eve Gate is something that New Eden wouldn't have the technology or logistics to emulate and the superweapon used by Jamyl at the battle of Battle of Mekhios was far beyond present weapons technology.

Yes yes. And the warp drives that can barely reach the speed of light and consume fuel. Sarum "superweapon" can be just an overloaded reactor, for example.



i think the tech exists already. and the serum weapon was just a more compact doomsday that use isogen 5 to be more explody. im not saying we are right there with terran tech. but i am saying we are not as far behind as people think. we are still behind and would probably get our assess kicked. hell terrans could of discovered mirrors the only weakness amarr have :p
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#7 - 2013-05-03 19:40:44 UTC
Even if New Eden technology is comparable to Terran technology dated around the time of the Eve Gate collapse we would have to assume that the Terran's continued to advance while New Eden recovered which would mean they have over ten thousand years on anything in New Eden.
Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-04 18:58:05 UTC
Just Another Capsuleer wrote:
David Forge wrote:
At the time of the collapse Terran technology was substantially more advanced than present tech in New Eden. For instance, the Eve Gate is something that New Eden wouldn't have the technology or logistics to emulate and the superweapon used by Jamyl at the battle of Battle of Mekhios was far beyond present weapons technology.

Yes yes. And the warp drives that can barely reach the speed of light and consume fuel. Sarum "superweapon" can be just an overloaded reactor, for example.


Except that it was quite clearly an incredibly advanced targeted energy weapon / electronic warfare hybrid that caused ships to destroy themselves with their own shields - not just a big explosion.

and where did you get the idea that earthling warpdrives at the time of EVE's collapse were terrible?
Tykari
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-04 23:06:29 UTC
Adam Junior wrote:
Just Another Capsuleer wrote:
David Forge wrote:
At the time of the collapse Terran technology was substantially more advanced than present tech in New Eden. For instance, the Eve Gate is something that New Eden wouldn't have the technology or logistics to emulate and the superweapon used by Jamyl at the battle of Battle of Mekhios was far beyond present weapons technology.

Yes yes. And the warp drives that can barely reach the speed of light and consume fuel. Sarum "superweapon" can be just an overloaded reactor, for example.


Except that it was quite clearly an incredibly advanced targeted energy weapon / electronic warfare hybrid that caused ships to destroy themselves with their own shields - not just a big explosion.

and where did you get the idea that earthling warpdrives at the time of EVE's collapse were terrible?


Templar One makes a reference to that, with the early Jove colony ships having terrible warp drives and the fuel they use being terribly difficult to come by because it was all controlled by the powers of that time. They had to resort to cryostasis and self sufficient generational ships to get to their single and only colony world because they couldn't afford enough fuel to use their warp drives.

The impression it gave me though wasn't so much that Terran tech wasn't fantastic, but more that only a few powerful factions had the goodies and keeping tight control over it and that a lot of the New Eden colonists weren't really high up on the food chain and had to make due with what they got. In fact Templar One specifically states the Jove were at that time the most technological inferior and destitute of them all. The fact they had to rely on themselves and be as self sufficient as possible simply to survive is probably the reason they were able to get through the EVE gates collapse so well compared to other colonies.

In the same way, in New Eden right now we have civilians and other lesser groups with basic tech and ships and Capsuleers and Navies with all the latest tech that's coming of the assembly lines. Terrans is a broad term used to signify all of humanity during that time, but given what we know they were about as united and friendly with each other as the current empires are and there were probably a lot more than just four/five main players.

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Mirima Thurander
#10 - 2013-05-05 02:29:28 UTC

the superweapon used by Jamyl at the battle of Battle of Mekhios was 'Quote a basic weapon off a Terran freighter"


so tell me, that weapon was the Terran equivalent of a civilian cannon.


it takes a hole titan to do what a simple Terran civilian weapon did.



near them? not even close.

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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-06 11:30:06 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:

the superweapon used by Jamyl at the battle of Battle of Mekhios was 'Quote a basic weapon off a Terran freighter"

I have a clear rememberence that the "super weapons" original purpose was as a navigation device. I think I read it somewhere but cannot remember.Straight

Though if true, it puts some things in perspective.

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Axel Kurki
Aseyakone
#12 - 2013-05-06 13:41:39 UTC
The "Terran superweapon" was probably either misused or militarized civilian technology. Let us for example take Star Trek transporter technology: Technically, it is for moving material or people. However, (assuming the target destination is not shielded), I would assume it is a great tool to dump some antimatter quantum torpedoes instantly on the place you want to wreck, at pinpoint accuracy.

I understand that what the superweapon actually did was to collapse the shields of the Minmatar ships, so we know that it disrupts deflection shield emitters (Minmatar shield technology - each Empire uses its own). As a side effect, it did kill Jamyl's crew. It was also effective against the Blood Raiders, so it also could disrupt their assumably Amarrian shield tech (linear shield emitters). It is possible that it is originally supposed to manipulate "force fields". Connection to Isogen-5 (which is connected to the appearance of the wormholes) and the site of discovery (reverse engineered from technology found close to the New Eden wormhole) woudl suggest that it may have been part of the equipment designed to keep the wormhole open, but this is just my guess.

I have not read Templar One, so if it sheds any light on this, then I am unaware of that. In-character, we don't really know about the superweapon, anyway. As far as the Amarr tell, Jamyl's just So Good at small gang PVP, probably. (Minmatar would have probably had just by just enough time to broadcast something along the lines of "it's the monster of Aaargh!")
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-05-07 06:40:30 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:

the superweapon used by Jamyl at the battle of Battle of Mekhios was 'Quote a basic weapon off a Terran freighter"

I have a clear rememberence that the "super weapons" original purpose was as a navigation device. I think I read it somewhere but cannot remember.Straight

Though if true, it puts some things in perspective.


As far as I'm aware, neither of these is true. It was supposed to have been found on a cloaked freighter, that's it - that could easily read as "Oblivion stuffed into a Prowler's cargo", but was somehow misread as "Prowler was armed with Oblivion".

Imo, the interesting part here is "cloaked freighter near EVE Gate" - how did the ship survive the gate collapse and why was it cloaked? It could well be that the EVE Gate collapse wasn't "natural" at all and that whatever happened in ages past might best be left burried.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#14 - 2013-05-08 06:37:40 UTC
Aren't the Jove keeping loads of wreckage around the Eve Gate cloaked to keep us away from it?
Ramius Decimus
Decimus Dynamics
#15 - 2013-05-19 10:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramius Decimus
David Forge wrote:
Aren't the Jove keeping loads of wreckage around the Eve Gate cloaked to keep us away from it?

Yes, contrary to Caitlyn's comment, that is the reason it was cloaked (along with a plethora of debris and technology left derelct by the Terrans after the EVE gate collapsed). Jovians had discovered the collapsed wormhole and all the debris when the Amarrians were still planet-bound primitives and after researching the abandoned technology decided the risk was too great that one of the fledgling human societies could eventually reverse-engineer the tech after making the leap into outer space.

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Ushra'Khan
#16 - 2013-05-30 15:20:52 UTC
If it is indeed based on a navigation system and works by interfering with onboard systems (in all likely hood it would in order to invert the shields) then I would guess it works fundamentally much more like an EWAR system. On that logic adding the correct countermeasures to all ship's software should nullify the weapon entirely. It's highly unlikely that the "weapon" works in any other way if it is indeed based on a nav system.
Anslo
Scope Works
#17 - 2013-05-31 17:35:06 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:

the superweapon used by Jamyl at the battle of Battle of Mekhios was 'Quote a basic weapon off a Terran freighter"

I have a clear rememberence that the "super weapons" original purpose was as a navigation device. I think I read it somewhere but cannot remember.Straight

Though if true, it puts some things in perspective.


Now that you mention this, I sort of remember a line about that too...

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#18 - 2013-05-31 17:40:25 UTC
Funny thing is to think how close we are now in real life to Eve tech now that we've established the Higgs field exists, and we know where to find Higgs particles.

Theoretical applications include antigravity, gravity based shielding and Warp Drives.

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