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Harder to get scanned down?
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Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-05-04 21:28:37 UTC
I was reading up on a blog about how to prevent being scanned down, and it mentioned that some fittings will put a ECCM Ladar I on to make it harder to be scanned down. This didn't make any sense to me, as the tooltip says it boosts sensor strength, not "lowers sig radius."

It got me to wondering though...when someone tries to scan someone else down, what's the basic formula on how that works? I assumed it was sig size against the probe's strength. That's why heavy shielded ships like ravens/drakes with extenders were easy to find. Am I way off?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2013-05-04 21:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Signature size of a ship is big a factor, yes. But the sensor strength of the ship being probed is another variable that plays into it. Don't ask me how or why... this is just how it is.

You can create an infuriatingly difficult to probe frigate by equipping it with ECCMs and using implant sets that either increase your sensor strength or decrease your sig radius. Booster drugs also help.

How did you Veterans start?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-04 21:45:42 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Shalaan Bedala wrote:
I was reading up on a blog about how to prevent being scanned down, and it mentioned that some fittings will put a ECCM Ladar I on to make it harder to be scanned down. This didn't make any sense to me, as the tooltip says it boosts sensor strength, not "lowers sig radius."

It got me to wondering though...when someone tries to scan someone else down, what's the basic formula on how that works? I assumed it was sig size against the probe's strength. That's why heavy shielded ships like ravens/drakes with extenders were easy to find. Am I way off?


Because Sig radius has something to do with probing...and sensor strength does too


With a good setup (lots of gimping involved though) you can make yourself unprobeable.

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Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-05-04 21:58:00 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Shalaan Bedala wrote:
I was reading up on a blog about how to prevent being scanned down, and it mentioned that some fittings will put a ECCM Ladar I on to make it harder to be scanned down. This didn't make any sense to me, as the tooltip says it boosts sensor strength, not "lowers sig radius."

It got me to wondering though...when someone tries to scan someone else down, what's the basic formula on how that works? I assumed it was sig size against the probe's strength. That's why heavy shielded ships like ravens/drakes with extenders were easy to find. Am I way off?


Because Sig radius has something to do with probing...and sensor strength does too


With a good setup (lots of gimping involved though) you can make yourself unprobeable.

Minor correction j'poll they changed that so near unprobable.

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Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-04 23:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalaan Bedala
Interesting. Are there normal diminishing returns on ECCM use for purposes of scanning, or would fitting 3 ECCMs work okay?
I'm not trying to make it impossible to get scanned, just small enough that probes will definitely appear on d-scan.

Also, would using race-specific ECCM for the ship work best, or the multi-frequency version work better?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-05 00:07:45 UTC
Shalaan Bedala wrote:
Interesting. Are there normal diminishing returns on ECCM use for purposes of scanning, or would fitting 3 ECCMs work okay?
I'm not trying to make it impossible to get scanned, just small enough that probes will definitely appear on d-scan.

Also, would using race-specific ECCM for the ship work best, or the multi-frequency version work better?


Do multi-freq ECCM even exist?

If they do...it's the most useless module. Even more useless then Warp core Stabs.

As a ship only relies on a single sensor type. So why wouldn't you pick a race specific one.

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Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-05-05 00:10:57 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

Do multi-freq ECCM even exist?


ECCM - Omni I

Its in the market with its own folder.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Now to do some testing. Cool
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#8 - 2013-05-05 01:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
When your sensor strength gets close to your sig radius then you get really difficult to probe out. A while ago you could actually become unprobeable but that's changed. If you get some 70% sensor strength compared to your sig radius you'll be forcing most probers into spending a lot of time on you to pin you down, meaning you have more time to notice the probes on your Dscan and get safe.

Low sig helps, high sensor strength also helps. Thing is that outside gang links there's not much you can do to lower your sig radius (other than choosing to not fit shield extenders or rigs, and ofcourse not running MWD) so your best bet is to add ECCM. But in normal fits for "normal" use it's not very logical to pile on ECCM. Only ships to fit lots of ECCM (outside wanting to lower jamming chance) are safespot (T3) gang linkers and snipers.