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As it applies to ore amd mineral values. Some hisec miners will not go to nullsec.
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Jita1st Sales
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-03 03:01:10 UTC
When their ISK/hour is reduced to an even s***ier rate, they may just finally call it quits with EVE.

If null and lowsec becomes more populated with bait will it not create a feeding frenzy amongst the bigger fish.

Possibly even shutting out hisec industrialists.

For some, any risk is too much risk.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-03 03:04:37 UTC
Way, way back in the day, trit was maybe 2-3 isk/unit.

Miners still mined.

Close thread.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-05-03 03:09:49 UTC
Wrong subforum. Incoherent paranoid ramblings go in GD

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#4 - 2013-05-03 04:34:13 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Way, way back in the day, trit was maybe 2-3 isk/unit.

Miners still mined.

Close thread.


maybe 2.44- 2.96
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#5 - 2013-05-03 09:48:25 UTC
Jita1st Sales wrote:
When their ISK/hour is reduced to an even s***ier rate, they may just finally call it quits with EVE.

If null and lowsec becomes more populated with bait will it not create a feeding frenzy amongst the bigger fish.

Possibly even shutting out hisec industrialists.

For some, any risk is too much risk.




Yes, I agree. What they should do instead is buff highsec income until you can become an AFK billionaire with ease. Then, they should destroy null industry for good measure. Just because they can. Again.

Oh, wait, you were trolling. Sorry.

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adriaans
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Nair Al-Zaurak
#6 - 2013-05-03 15:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: adriaans
mynnna wrote:
Way, way back in the day, trit was maybe 2-3 isk/unit.

Miners still mined.

Close thread.



Pretty sure I remember it being less than 1 isk when I started.

and people still mined then. Heck everyone kept telling me back then to get a mining ship to make isk.. last time i ever followed other people's advice.

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#7 - 2013-05-03 15:24:45 UTC
But think how much they can save on their business overheads by mining their own minerals! Shocked

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Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#8 - 2013-05-03 17:19:22 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
But think how much they can save on their business overheads by mining their own minerals! Shocked


I can't think of an easier way to cut manufacturing costs by 100% than to use free minerals.

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Erid Novan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-03 18:49:53 UTC
Alex Grison wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
But think how much they can save on their business overheads by mining their own minerals! Shocked


I can't think of an easier way to cut manufacturing costs by 100% than to use free minerals.


Those minerals are only free if the time spent mining them had no value. Since you cold have sold the minerals you mined, you're effectively still paying market price for the materials.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-03 18:51:31 UTC
Erid Novan wrote:
Alex Grison wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
But think how much they can save on their business overheads by mining their own minerals! Shocked


I can't think of an easier way to cut manufacturing costs by 100% than to use free minerals.


Those minerals are only free if the time spent mining them had no value. Since you cold have sold the minerals you mined, you're effectively still paying market price for the materials.


You are completely incapable of recognizing sarcasm Lol

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flakeys
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-05-03 18:52:05 UTC
Erid Novan wrote:
Alex Grison wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
But think how much they can save on their business overheads by mining their own minerals! Shocked


I can't think of an easier way to cut manufacturing costs by 100% than to use free minerals.


Those minerals are only free if the time spent mining them had no value. Since you cold have sold the minerals you mined, you're effectively still paying market price for the materials.



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El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#12 - 2013-05-03 19:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: El Geo
Highsec mining will always be there, I know a few people who log on and mine simply because they can do study/watch tv/films and chat to friends on eve, ice mining being the biggest product for this as the cycles mean they do less, an old corpmate used to mine for an hour while getting ready for work. Theres nothing wrong with it and a lot of folks see it as semi passive income so aren't really worried how much its making them.

The trick to understanding eve is understanding there are a lot of different players in it, who all enjoy different things and a lot of these guys pay their subscriptions with real money, it doesn't make them any less important than any other player.

Its also worth noting that not every MMO player is capable of everything able bodied players are.

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Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#13 - 2013-05-03 21:23:53 UTC
Erid Novan wrote:
Alex Grison wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
But think how much they can save on their business overheads by mining their own minerals! Shocked


I can't think of an easier way to cut manufacturing costs by 100% than to use free minerals.


Those minerals are only free if the time spent mining them had no value. Since you cold have sold the minerals you mined, you're effectively still paying market price for the materials.


Oh boy does my time have value. 250,000,000 isk/hour.

Given this figure I have come to the conclusion that I should price my Merlins at 10,999,999 ( suggested retail price )

But I will sell them to you at a very fair wholesale price of 7,490,137.65

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Isonda
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#14 - 2013-05-03 21:44:17 UTC
adriaans wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Way, way back in the day, trit was maybe 2-3 isk/unit.

Miners still mined.

Close thread.



Pretty sure I remember it being less than 1 isk when I started.

and people still mined then. Heck everyone kept telling me back then to get a mining ship to make isk.. last time i ever followed other people's advice.


When I started, all prices was Integers... So, exactly 1 isk is the base price.

1, 4, 16, 64, 256, 1024, 4096 were the starter values.
Then morphite came at 16384 much later...

I mined in the best ship there was, probe, with dual diode lasers.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-05-04 00:26:13 UTC
... waits for someone to commit the ultimate heresy of claiming minerals are free if you mine them yourself... Shocked

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#16 - 2013-05-04 00:49:39 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
... waits for someone to commit the ultimate heresy of claiming minerals are free if you mine them yourself... Shocked



You are about 4 posts too late for that Bear

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flakeys
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-05-04 10:20:37 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
... waits for someone to commit the ultimate heresy of claiming minerals are free if you mine them yourself... Shocked



You are about 4 posts too late for that Bear



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Secret Squirrell
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#18 - 2013-05-04 13:24:24 UTC
Even if we presume or output will increase with the patch, it is still a circular argument, either prices go down and miners don't quit mining, so they keep going down, or they go down till enough miners quit/do something else, and prices stabilize.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-05-04 14:13:27 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
... waits for someone to commit the ultimate heresy of claiming minerals are free if you mine them yourself... Shocked



You are about 4 posts too late for that Bear



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Angelic Resolution
The Arcanum
#20 - 2013-05-04 15:44:09 UTC
At the end of the day it goes back to balancing Null vs High-Sec.

There's a reason why researched 425mm Rail BP's go for 40-50 mill. If null industry gets a buff, it'll be the way it should be.
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