Science & Industry

While this wont result in a massive flood of miners moving to 0.0, it will result in an increase. What the change is doing is removing a giant disincentive from 0.0, namely that unless you were heavily cherry picking Arkonor, highsec has had as good or better ore yields, even before you factor in the overhead of moving it out once you mine it. As a practical matter, a corp that allows heavy arkonor cherry picking is not gonna get far, so that is mostly out too. Few players are going to go through the hassle of finding a corp and learning to mine 0.0 only to not make any more isk.

With the change, there will be a much more reliable yield bonus to 0.0 mining, and corps that adopt proper high yield mining practices wont suffer as much from the previously low yield ores they had to mine to cycle the sites. But again, none of the changes will drive miners to 0.0, but they are removing some of the major obstacles in the way of miners who may already have been predisposed to want to go to 0.0.

One last comment, you need to find a 0.0 corp that is serious about industry, not one that just added an indy wing as an afterthought. Ore buyback is a must, and should probably even be mandatory to promote site cycling. CTA requirements should be minimal or non existent, you should be taxing your miners, and protecting them, if someone is willing to fly in PvP, they can probably find more profitable ways of making money then mining.

I'm prepared to bet you it won't.

(Unless by "game" you mean "bot")

.this mining bonus will change nothing.ther wont be more peopol willing to protect miners in low or nullsec just for som aded or yeld,they who livs in low-nullsec dident go ther to baybisit miners.so iven if your find somwon willing to protct you it wont be for a long period,so as a miner you will in the end always making more profit in hi-sec

I think I am a bit concerned about high end ores or mats falling in supply. Like many said the risk for low/nullsec mining has increased thanks to the removal gravsites. I am also thinking if corps are forced to provide protection to the miners then ore/mats are most likely to stay in-house.

But then again if high end ore/mats do rise in price, looks like I'll be using my venture quite a bit.

i'm unconvinced that you can enter a system, wait for the scan to finish, warp to an anom, and tackle some one before they have time to warp to a pos if they're watching local.
it's easier than it was if you had to probe them down, but i still think you'll have to be pretty fast to get it done.

also, mine in a dead end system with a bubble on the gate and you really have 0 excuses to get caught by some one entering by anything other than a wormhole.

yeah because nobody will just switch to cheaper, throwaway ships with lower yield and STILL make more isk/hour because of the increased isk/m3 of the grav sites...

no, nobody will do that at all.

Actually I have seen one way mining can be done in Null Sec.
1 Player running 10+ toons,,,
1 Rorqual Pilot --Boosting
1 Rorqual Pilot--Hauling/Refining
1 Rat Killer Pilot--Killing/Tanking Rat Spawns
10+ Mining Toons mining--everything that a mining laser can lock onto

A player using a similar setup in one week sold his ores/minerals for 7-8 billion isk and he was not mining full time.
A player able to mine full time can easily eliminate a corp importing minerals for productions, in fact corp would be exporting ores to Jita for sale at profits.

As for a solo ganker coming into that mining operation....do the math 10 Hulks, 5 drones per hulk...total 50 drones...dead ganker.

I run corp for 1.5 year with ore buyback program, the cut was around 15% under Jita. Miners made nice ISK, corp was doing profit and it was no scam, so it worked ok .... the miners had literally 0 problems with mining, they just put stuff to station and contract to me.

Also you can't really protect the miners :D You can't protect them from WHs, from AFK cloaky campers, etc. Sure, you can be in the belt with them and "protecting them" but you go **** for 5 minutes and whole mining fleet can die from that cloaky camper. Or he can light cyno for black ops and **** whole mining fleet.

OK, something Im missing.

Other threads have said the changes break Null mining. You will not get a warning from probes as you mine a grav site. So fewer will be mining in Null, and even fewer in W.

So why will the price of minerals drop? I thought a lower supply meant a price increase.

BTW in low sec there are grav sites with ABC ores. After the expansion these can be found by anyone, say with a Venture. Fit a cloak, go out there, find an empty system and mine Arkonor. Local shows someone, cloak up. If you get caught anyway, revel in your mighty +2 warp core strength and high agility.

because people saying null mining is going to be broken are talking out of their arse.

that's why mineral prices are dropping, because it won't break null mining and as such there will be an increased supply of low end minerals.