Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well for those who pay to play, we can also buy plex to afford to buy it.

Though at this point, with the current changes and many of them less than spectacular. Buying plex is not in my future. I just reactivated my accounts a month ago and now, I feel like letting it lapse again.

they arent any worse than the "Can I have your stuff?" posts

It's funny that this post is making so many people upset while it almost literally made me start jumping for joy.


Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new Mini-Bhaal, Supermax-Caracal, and other new battleships (Scorpion kind of gets the short end of the stick, but it was already really good at what it did).

As I see it the problem with battleships is a little different from this - due to the weapon systems one mounts on a BS and their lack of agility battleships are vulnerable to being killed, or at least tackled, neuted, and jammed out, by ships much smaller than themselves that they cannot themselves kill. A frigate or cruiser that tackles a BC generally has to have help come PDQ, or it's dead and the BC escapes, but a BS often simply can't do meaningful damage to a frigate or cruiser tackle (especially if it's a shield BS, because it'll lack the mid slots for good tackle of its own, but that's a different rant).

As a result, the BS is very much a fleet ship in PVP, and is incredibly vulnerable on its own in a way smaller ships are not. For them to have a vast jump in cost as well seems perhaps a bit much.

I'm sure the BS numbers will not drop much with this cost increase, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it won't impact much on the Rokh and the Mael (or may make them cheaper), both popular fleet ships. Secondly, they'll remain the best 'Low SP' damage projector for brawling fleets where support cruisers/frigate will be doing the tackling, etc.

It might hurt those who like soloing sites and missions, though - battleships are often the choice before one moves on to T3s, Marauders, etc., and if battleships cost more getting them shot up hurts more, and they start looking like something you don't actually want to fly - stay on your Drake until you can step up to something that's really ISK/hour efficient.

40m avarage and they said the tier3 wont increase much or at all --> probably current tier 1 will be increased by 60-80m and tier 2 30-50m

I think your comparison is all wrong. BS are not a shiny ferrari they're more like a truck or an SUV. And strangely enough for PVE a BS with lvl 2 and 3 large skills is better than a BC with lvl 4 and 5 skills. In fact the new skill trees will make it even easier for folks to get into a BS. Just ... they won't be able to afford one.
For pvp it's a whole different story but as I said before you don't see that many BS, in smaller gangs anyway, now you won't see any. Thus depraving you of the so desired of you juicy kills.

As far as performance increase goes compare the caldari line: DPS goes : raven, rokh, Naga(if you don't consider the drones of the rokh) , with the naga being able to run from unpleasant situations with much higher chance of success.

Disclaimer: I'm loaded and bought out all the old price BSes from across two regions already month ago

Fact: I won't be flying tier 1 or 2 battleships after Odyssey, their poor performance won't justify the huge ISK loss on the killboard

BS tiericide is bad and doesn't make the battleships worthwhile, and making them cost more is just the final nail in the coffin.

Why Domi over Ishtar? Why Mega over Talos?

Right, there are no reasons.

I hope I can at least sell my stockpiles.

Given the Hyperion hull is not too far behind 250m at the moment, being worried that a Megathron or Dominix might be >200m for the hull isn't unfounded.

Ok, so at the 'current' price of minerals, BS's are going to cost about 200m - 240m. Please note the emphasis on the word 'current'. With the mineral rebalance, I can see the price of low ends like tritanium and pyerite halving. I expect the 'actual' value within a month or two of Odyssey being released to be more like 150m - 170m. Given the amount of ships that will flood the market around that time, I would go as far as to say that estimate may be too conservative.

I really don't see what everyones problem is.

CCP Rise,

with the complaining-fest this has turned into, i would say you should cite the ballpark full cost of buying new BSes for tier 1 and 2 BSes after these changes, so people can see if they are really making the right assumptions by assuming the first raven they buy costs 230mil

How will this make sense? If you raise the prices on everything faction BSes like the navy typhoon will cost the same as a normal typhoon, pretty stupid if you ask me. Considering how some tier 1 or 2 ships haven't even changed much why would you increase the price by much?

A stupid reason to leave a price at a weird high value is "it hurts the economy if we lower it"

Maybe you should add something else useful to fix that change then? How a new line of BSes or blops that require many of the minerals that people would otherwise use to build the tier 3 boats that lost a bit of build cost?

Increasing all the prices and assuming it will save the economy while not reducing the more expensive ones seems to cause more problems than it fixes. Mainly, it causes a lot of pain for people who dream of having over 1bil in their wallet one day. I know I used to be like that when I was a <1 year old player.