Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's what happens then CCP makes shiny CQ instead of fixing Tech.

The HBC doesn't actually have much tech, and if you read the patch notes they fixed it. hth.

The extra minerals distorts all ships cursed with them - the floor price for these ships is below build cost because this is affected by the refine valuation of the ship. Extra minerals have a major disadvantage because they are unaffected by researching the print - hardly encouraging builders, who therefore may prefer ships builds that are not so afflicted.

Proposal:

You set a goal to eliminate extra minerals over say a 3-5 year period. At each expansion and possibly point release, a random group of ships (for example up to 20% of those with extra minerals) have their extra minerals reduced and refined increased by a figure of between 10-20%. The changes are not initially include in the patch notes - just announced when made.

The players therefore cannot buy a large stock in build for a instant and expected increase - you could buy the ship that doesn't get any changes for 2-3 years. More likely therefore would be some speculation around each patch and a quick cashing out following the patch but without really large gains.

A player could buy a large stock now and cash out in 3-5 years - but there is a huge opportunity cost of tying up enough isk to make this worthwhile that probably would put off the investor, especially given the uncertainty of a dev destroying the profit margins by tweeking the database in the intervening period.

I understand that BS should be expensive, but they're not worth it, ther's a problem.

50m vs 220m and?

+ little bigger dps
+ little bigger tank

- bad mobility
- big radius
- big mass
- bad tracking
- cap problems (amarr guns, large MWD uses too much cap - change it or remove cap penalty from it)

So You don't want to use them in LS and WH, only station games, and some capital fights

I think BS's should have bigger tanks (raven get only 100ehp on all5...) and more mid slots for their modules (MJD, target breaker)

Good time to hold on your ores and materials.. When mining gets more difficult and it won't be 'botted' multiaccounted as much. We will see also increase in mineral cost (which BTW would have been probably enough to balance the prices anyway -_-).

Oh well I do not know if I should care.. When it comes to need of BS capable ship I can always fly either ABC or T3.. Who needs BS anyway..

I honestly think this is one of those situations where the Tier system actually worked somewhat and personally, I don't like the thought or mentality that BS are end game ships. They may be "end game" in regards to the skill requirements, but in terms of performance they're very niche.

For example, cheap Geddons and Apocs with the cap bonus gave low SP groups with limited budget tools to POS or POCO bash. Should those kind of groups be able to do that? Absolutely. Its those groups that provide content for the larger more experience groups that can actually field proper equipment. E-Uni's Dragonslayer BS fleets brought some really good fights into lowsec, as does Sadistica. Regardless of whether or not you think these groups suck or not, you need new blood stepping up and generating content otherwise you run into the situation that nullsec is in where its the same people fighting the same people with nothing new.

How fun would it be for groups to get BS brawls out of BNI when they get the SP, except now they're hilariously expensive so nope, the biggest you ever get to fight out of those groups is cruisers forever.

Anyways, before you bring up the arguement that if those groups want to get into the big leagues by taking moons or create a poco slum empire, they need to make friends because EVE is a social game, just take a look at your blue donut getting bluer and enjoy even more stagnation. BNI and Fweddit are two other good examples of some of the most successful startups in recent times that still suffer hard from the glass ceiling in EVE, where once you hit a certain size your only option is to join a major coalition. This will only exacerbate that.

So there will be one more complication. Agreed, it will be a bit more difficult to find profit in the future. I don't see it being in itself a purely bad thing.

There is an average of 200 procurers being traded every day in jita, with occasional spikes of a few thousand units.

There is an average of 50 scorps traded everyday in jita, with spikes to 200 units. Between 20 and 40 megathrons are traded each day. Same for typhoon, with some frequent spikes around 200 units. Factor in the lack of attention of people for the procurer prior to the barge rebalance, the silly price of it's BPO compared to the cost of the ship (over 1.4b for a ship that used cost less than 10m to produce). Almost nobody had a procurer not wanted one, and now, they sell almost as fast as tornados.

Almost every nullsec player have one or two scorps lying somewhere that they used once, when ECM was the flavor of the month. Almost every highsec mission runner have a raven that he'll never lose, and eventually sell for a CNR, golem or whatever. A good bunch of nullsec people do as well. Many manufacturers already have researched BS BPOs, and are probably already getting as many as possible out while they're cheap.

My point: t1 and t2 BS are much more frequents in hangars than procurers were before their rebalance, often in lower demand. Between people reselling their old assets, industrialists stockpiling them and speculators hoarding them, I dont see the stockpiles for BS lasting less than 1 year.

While you can't make an overpowered ship balanced by increasing its price, cost effectiveness, a function of capability offered by the ship and modules equipped and the price at which those abilities are bought, does play a part in developing fleet doctrines. As things are today, battleships are rarely used unless one needs the longer range that select sniper platforms offer, or a larger buffer for triage support. They are already too slow, a minimal improvement over most Battlecruisers, and insufficiently survivable to be deployed outside of situations where buffer is more important than mobility. The Tier 3 Battlecruisers have made Battleships more or less irrelevant in many circumstances, and now they're going to be even more expensive than they were before?

Unless in a monolithic ball, or working under a doctrine built around the Micro Jump Drive, why would I want to fly a Battleship without the support of Recons, Tech 3s, and Triage Carriers? Battleships are increasingly becoming the poor man's tool in Capital Ships Online, and this only exacerbates the situation.

OH BOY, MORE BARRIERS TO ENTRY FOR NEW PLAYERS!!!