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Will hisec mining lose all its viability? Will changes draw any miners to nullsec?

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Jita1st Sales
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-03 02:43:18 UTC
How many hisec only miners will actually be drawn to nullsec?

Will the changes to nullsec ore actually draw more hisec miners to nullsec, or is it possible that long time hisec miners will simply give up due to the drop in isk/hour.

Some highsec miners will still not be able to bring themselves to risk being popped in nullsec belts and for those players alot of fun will be lost when their wallet's growth slows to a snail's pace.

It would seem that any profit from low and nullsec mining will be offset by the huge zerg forces of pvp and griefers entering the belts which might become target rich environments.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2013-05-03 03:09:21 UTC
Zero will be drawn to Null. It's not something one just "does" at the drop of a hat. It is a complete 'lifestyle change' involving complicated logistics, strategy and planning.

The Market will stabilize at some point.

Life will continue. EVE will continue, and we'll be posting here on the 20th Anniversary.

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Haulie Berry
#3 - 2013-05-03 03:10:54 UTC
Quote:
Will the changes to nullsec ore actually draw more hisec miners to nullsec,


No.

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or is it possible that long time hisec miners will simply give up due to the drop in isk/hour.


No.

They will continue mining for less money.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2013-05-03 03:30:59 UTC
Jita1st Sales wrote:
Will the changes to nullsec ore actually draw more hisec miners to nullsec, or is it possible that long time hisec miners will simply give up due to the drop in isk/hour.


When trit was like 3/unit. Py 6/unit, and so on due to competition from Drone poop, miners still mined. A lot.

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xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#5 - 2013-05-03 04:25:20 UTC
only thing you might see is more null sec guys moving their miners out of high sec.


The more likely thing to happen is they just unsub them as not worth the hassle. I know i only ran my high sec miners as passive income(Ice) while i was off doing something else. Now that they cant do that I prob wont run them at all.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-05-03 04:29:39 UTC
High sec industry will continue on as normal. Null sec alliances aren't going to build rifters and drakes just so they can jump them to high sec and sell them, they're going to use the ore change to reduce their dependence on high sec to supply most of the high sec minerals. The thing about mining is that it is directly pegged to what it takes to build a ship, so as the cost of minerals goes up and down the time it takes to mine up a ship tends to be very consistent.

Will high sec miners move out to null sec? I don't know, you may get a few that will go out knowing that they can be full blown industrialist without relying on jump freighter shipments from high sec. Maybe not.
Lugues Slive
Diamond Light Industries
#7 - 2013-05-03 04:31:56 UTC
I am actually more set on not moving out to null now with the changes to scanning. Before one of the reasons I was considering it was that I could mine hidden belts and be able to get to saftey once the probes were dropped. Now they just have to warp in and all the hidden and static belts are shown and easy to warp to.
Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
#8 - 2013-05-03 09:17:56 UTC
will highsec mining be less profitable? very likely
will it be very significant? don't think so, likely order of magnitude of 10% - 20% less profits
will it drive throngs of miners into 0.0? most certainly not; high sec miners will mine in high sec, some 0.0 players might move their alts to 0.0 to mine
will it break anything? very unlikely
Crexa
Ion Industrials
#9 - 2013-05-03 09:18:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Crexa
Jita1st Sales wrote:
How many hisec only miners will actually be drawn to nullsec?

Will the changes to nullsec ore actually draw more hisec miners to nullsec, or is it possible that long time hisec miners will simply give up due to the drop in isk/hour.

Some highsec miners will still not be able to bring themselves to risk being popped in nullsec belts and for those players alot of fun will be lost when their wallet's growth slows to a snail's pace.

It would seem that any profit from low and nullsec mining will be offset by the huge zerg forces of pvp and griefers entering the belts which might become target rich environments.



1. Not many. Statistically undetectable.

2. Same as 1. answer. Unknown.

3. Hard to say, as its mainly trit and pye getting null boosts. I would say mex, iso and nox. will still be good minerals for the market.

4. I'll let null miners speak to that. But my guess is they are not happy about the grav site scan change. No one mines in lowsec. Let me rephrase that, no one with a brain mines in lowsec.

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Danni stark
#10 - 2013-05-03 11:20:13 UTC
the mining changes will have 0 impact on whether people move to null.

the migration will only happen if null sec corps are willing to accommodate miners. from what i've seen browsing the forums and the corp search tool the answer is generally; no.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#11 - 2013-05-03 11:38:25 UTC
As others have easily pointed out, mining happened with trit at 2isk per unit. All people are doing (to the extent that the forums represent the majority) is crying about something they think will happen in a month. I've found people in general, don't like change. Same thing here.

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Illini Vaille
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-03 11:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Illini Vaille
Crexa wrote:
No one mines in lowsec.


I mine in lowsec :(

Mining missions! Completely safe until you see the probes xD. And I get some green stuff from lowsec occasionally. Works okay for me in a procurer.

Honestly, these changes are making me think about joining a nullsec corp to become a full-blown self sufficient industrialist out there. But yeah, I would need to find a corp that doesn't mind me setting my own hours and pretty much ignoring them unless we're defending (mining) territory or moons and I don't think there's many corps that have room for that kind of lifestyle.
Asuna Bourne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-03 12:03:34 UTC
No.

The logistics of Null Sec alone tells me no.

Ill still be in high sec.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#14 - 2013-05-03 14:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Highsec Mining will lose nothing. It will still be as safe as it is now, yields will be the same. nothing in high sec will change.

Except maybe ICE mining, I am on the fence as to whether those changes will be gamebreaking or not.

But those who choose to move to null sec will now make more isk, making the added risk worth something. However the huge nerf to hidden belts by converting them all from grav sites to anomalies may drive some existing null sec miners back to high sec.

This will be game breaking if it goes live.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#15 - 2013-05-03 18:11:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
simply put, 50% of belts are pyerite and trit heavy, so in a nutshell 50% of miners will be pretty much forced to head off to low/null, or mine those 2 mats lol.

also, most belts are stripped of the good stuff in the first 6 hours after servers come back up, so your going to see most low-nul mining corps from certain regions like Europe/Russia japan etc.

P.S. dibs on calling CCP out on this first.
Haulie Berry
#16 - 2013-05-03 18:13:49 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:

This will be game breaking if it goes live.


Game breaking? Really?

Krax As
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-03 18:56:02 UTC
Illini Vaille wrote:
Crexa wrote:
No one mines in lowsec.


I mine in lowsec :(

Mining missions! Completely safe until you see the probes xD. And I get some green stuff from lowsec occasionally. Works okay for me in a procurer.

Honestly, these changes are making me think about joining a nullsec corp to become a full-blown self sufficient industrialist out there. But yeah, I would need to find a corp that doesn't mind me setting my own hours and pretty much ignoring them unless we're defending (mining) territory or moons and I don't think there's many corps that have room for that kind of lifestyle.



it is because this exact reason that nothing will change.

full blown self sufficient industrialist my behind. from what i heard the amounts of minerals a real industrialist blows through his assembly lines are off the charts. those guys are going to mine that themselves in null ? forget about it.

the new capacities of outposts ?? (unless the upgrade levels are cumulative) the total numbers are still a joke.
there are highsec systems with hundreds of production slots avaiable. without much logistic trouble. courier contratcs are cheap, market available...

i think the idea is great, but the execution lacks commitment.

and unless corporation and alliances embrace and accomodate miners and industrialists as normal members and part of their own, nothing will ever change...

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-05-03 20:21:51 UTC
Nope.

Some folks just don't want the drama no matter how lucrative the mining might be; nevermind the fact that any "arrangement" reached with Null Sec hosts is so prone to change on a moments notice that it's a farce best avoided in many people's opinion.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-05-03 21:02:04 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Nope.

Some folks just don't want the drama no matter how lucrative the mining might be; nevermind the fact that any "arrangement" reached with Null Sec hosts is so prone to change on a moments notice that it's a farce best avoided in many people's opinion.


The funny thing about this comment is that I feel like my null sec alliance has laid out their expectations very well. They boil down to simply:

1. When a call to arms goes up attend if you can
2. Do whatever you want when there is no call to arms
3. Don't be an ass to your alliance or their allies

What they're changing at a moments notice I don't know.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#20 - 2013-05-03 21:49:07 UTC
Very few, if any, high sec miners will go to nul sec to mine.

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