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Kill rights vs. -10.0 high sec suiciders = Nonsense

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Dubstepcat
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-05-03 16:37:44 UTC
I completely shat on my sec status once, I'm still getting it back up. You would not believe how much trouble it is to get things done in highsec even with the faction navies. You sir, need to experience -10 before you want this change.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#42 - 2013-05-03 16:39:21 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Manny Moons wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
...Interesting idea. Compromise a ganker insta undock, then park one of the assorted ECM boats there, with rsebo support. Load the mids up with points, then have a blast when the gank squad lands on the bookmark.

Oh no - that may be the end of the New Order ganking division! There's only one thing I can think of that might save us, and that's the fact that it would take a teensy bit of effort to pull off.



Well instead of ranting I will say this.

It is odd that their is this "Impunity" that players who ruin their sec status have. It is a bit rediculous that they can run back to a station, refit a ship, and suicide it again, and again.. and again... and again...... and again...... and again.......................................and again................................................... and again........................................and again.

It is a bit lopsided.



What's lopsided is the meatheads in high sec who can't stop outlaws even though the strongest NPCs in the game are on their side. Wanna beat an outlaw in high sec?....fit a few points on a fast locking ship...that's it the cops will do the rest.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#43 - 2013-05-03 16:39:27 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

Uggh people and their never ending ability trying to justify a broken game mechanic or flaw just because it can be done. People that exploit this in game do so on alts preciously because of the fall out they
This should be changed so you may adapt and survive some more.


What exploit? What broken game mechanic?

Indeed.

CCP specifically designed the game mechanics to allow for suicide ganking, and have fine tuned them repeatedly over the years to keep the balance how they want it to be.

They intend for suicide ganking to be possible, and to be able to have characters dedicated to it. Their stance is that it should not be inherently profitable unless the target of the gank specifically (and unwisely) fits his ship to be so, and flys it in a careless manner.

If there is a problem with suicide ganking being too common and profitable, you need only look as far as the nearest mirror to see who is to blame.


LoL this is what I truly admire from you guys, feels like arguing with my teenage son, same mentality. You find a way to exploit a way around a mechanic. In this case the mechanic is the -10 standings and the consequences from ganking and then try to act like what? What did I do?. Nothing broken. Nothing wrong right?....WRONG

The ability to gank over and over with no repercussions should not be possible.

The very fact that you have to have a dedicated alt three times removed should make this point even more obvious.

Your hiding behind a work around to circumvent the repercussions that should be yours to bear.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#44 - 2013-05-03 16:41:53 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:


Wow big brother gets everywhere.

Maybe there is a niche for a money laundering service. An account set up as a clearing house for all the gankers. As long as toons were recycled quickly enough to stop them becoming suspicious for too many transactions then would a recruiter be able to tell anything from APIs?


honestly, trade does because it puts a wallet transaction in (even if no ISK is traded).

e.g. if I traded you a unit of trit for a unit of Pyer, we'd both get a wallet entry for "0.00 ISK; Player trade with [the other pilot]"

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-05-03 17:02:11 UTC
I don't really care one way or the other, but if means tears, I'd be happy locking -10 sec people out of high sec stations.

Griefer tears, best tears.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#46 - 2013-05-03 17:06:53 UTC
They should remove insta-kill concord and go back to the old concord. Have it progressive based off of time and size of hostiles. But also they will attack criminals on sight instead of just aggression.

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#47 - 2013-05-03 17:17:59 UTC
If we get locked out of stations we'll launch out of POS's or have an orca poop out a cat. In both cases it's just board cat, warp, and fire.

Also, I do my best work in station. If I get locked out EvE will become a darker place.

PRAISE JAMES

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-05-03 17:22:11 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
They should remove insta-kill concord

FTFY

CCP has no sense of humour.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2013-05-03 17:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


LoL this is what I truly admire from you guys, feels like arguing with my teenage son, same mentality. You find a way to exploit a way around a mechanic. In this case the mechanic is the -10 standings and the consequences from ganking and then try to act like what? What did I do?. Nothing broken. Nothing wrong right?....WRONG

The ability to gank over and over with no repercussions should not be possible.

The very fact that you have to have a dedicated alt three times removed should make this point even more obvious.

Your hiding behind a work around to circumvent the repercussions that should be yours to bear.


Still waiting on you telling us what exactly the exploit is.

Also, we are free fire to everything in highsec. Its not our fault you people are so useless you cannot stop an untanked destroyer with the help of faction navies after years of "just one more nerf". Literally they only reason we get away with this is because you let us.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#50 - 2013-05-03 17:26:06 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
They should remove insta-kill concord

FTFY


If you want to watch Eve die then sure.

E: Obligatory Eve has been dying since XXXX.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Ilaister
Binary Aesthetics
#51 - 2013-05-03 17:32:52 UTC
Dubstepcat wrote:
I completely shat on my sec status once, I'm still getting it back up. You would not believe how much trouble it is to get things done in highsec even with the faction navies. You sir, need to experience -10 before you want this change.


Truth right here.

Not all characters with low sec status got there by ganking the bejeesus out of hisec miners (exclusively).

Some of us engaged in legitimate piracy and murder on the lowsec seas. Should we be concordokkened every time we need something from a hub? My LP is locked away, I can't access still-friendly mission agents and hisec in anything larger than a destroyer involves sqeakybumtime and lots of stablizers - both kinds.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#52 - 2013-05-03 17:37:00 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Manny Moons wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
...Interesting idea. Compromise a ganker insta undock, then park one of the assorted ECM boats there, with rsebo support. Load the mids up with points, then have a blast when the gank squad lands on the bookmark.

Oh no - that may be the end of the New Order ganking division! There's only one thing I can think of that might save us, and that's the fact that it would take a teensy bit of effort to pull off.



Well instead of ranting I will say this.

It is odd that their is this "Impunity" that players who ruin their sec status have. It is a bit rediculous that they can run back to a station, refit a ship, and suicide it again, and again.. and again... and again...... and again...... and again.......................................and again................................................... and again........................................and again.

It is a bit lopsided.



What's lopsided is the meatheads in high sec who can't stop outlaws even though the strongest NPCs in the game are on their side. Wanna beat an outlaw in high sec?....fit a few points on a fast locking ship...that's it the cops will do the rest.

That would require effort and prior planning....

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-05-03 17:37:45 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
They should remove insta-kill concord

FTFY


If you want to watch Eve die then sure.

E: Obligatory Eve has been dying since XXXX.

tbh it'd be a pretty damn funny death.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-05-03 17:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Some Rando wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
They should remove insta-kill concord

FTFY


If you want to watch Eve die then sure.

E: Obligatory Eve has been dying since XXXX.

tbh it'd be a pretty damn funny death.


I for one can't wait for EVE to go F2P where it gets all its income through avatar items.

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#55 - 2013-05-03 18:14:30 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

Uggh people and their never ending ability trying to justify a broken game mechanic or flaw just because it can be done. People that exploit this in game do so on alts preciously because of the fall out they
This should be changed so you may adapt and survive some more.


What exploit? What broken game mechanic?

Indeed.

CCP specifically designed the game mechanics to allow for suicide ganking, and have fine tuned them repeatedly over the years to keep the balance how they want it to be.

They intend for suicide ganking to be possible, and to be able to have characters dedicated to it. Their stance is that it should not be inherently profitable unless the target of the gank specifically (and unwisely) fits his ship to be so, and flys it in a careless manner.

If there is a problem with suicide ganking being too common and profitable, you need only look as far as the nearest mirror to see who is to blame.


LoL this is what I truly admire from you guys, feels like arguing with my teenage son, same mentality. You find a mechanic that you don't like and cry for mommy to fix it your way. In this case the mechanic is the -10 standings and the consequences from ganking and then try to act like what? why would it be wrong to want the mechanics to make me safe rather than committing some brainpower and time to stopping what you don't like.

The ability to gank over and over with no repercussions should not be possible and isn't. Killrights and outlaw status have severe penalties in high sec.

The very fact that you have to have a dedicated alt three times removed should make this point even more obvious.

Your hiding behind a stupid analogy to be a carebear.


Fixed that for ya....christ....you're someone's dad?
Lady Areola Fappington
#56 - 2013-05-03 18:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
You want to know why we get away with ganking again...and again...and again with -10 sec status? LOLore, the factions really don't care about capsuleers, nor like us too much. We're quite abit more powerful than the regular fleets, much richer (I've heard lorespeak that the typical dirtsider could live comfortably for their entire lives on 1-100 ISK), and united, we would tear the empires apart.

Capsuleers and the factions have a very uneasy truce. They stay out of our business, we stay out of theirs. Sure, we run the occasional errand (always through a broker), fight their proxy wars in FW, so they let us dock when we choose in empire. In exchange, we don't tear the empires apart, and live under the convention of the Yulai Accord (that's concord and the aggression mechanics).

It's a mexican standoff. The only thing the empires can do is disconnect us from the clone networks. The second they did that, we as capsuleers would wreak havoc.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#57 - 2013-05-03 18:33:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


LoL this is what I truly admire from you guys, feels like arguing with my teenage son, same mentality. You find a way to exploit a way around a mechanic. In this case the mechanic is the -10 standings and the consequences from ganking and then try to act like what? What did I do?. Nothing broken. Nothing wrong right?....WRONG

The ability to gank over and over with no repercussions should not be possible.

The very fact that you have to have a dedicated alt three times removed should make this point even more obvious.

Your hiding behind a work around to circumvent the repercussions that should be yours to bear.


Still waiting on you telling us what exactly the exploit is.

Also, we are free fire to everything in highsec. Its not our fault you people are so useless you cannot stop an untanked destroyer with the help of faction navies after years of "just one more nerf". Literally they only reason we get away with this is because you let us.



Even when spelled out you will choose to see only that which you want to see. Perhaps first start by learning the definition of the word exploit. It’s not my place or desire to educate you batltec. Regardless of the specifics you will choose not to see or acknowledge anything that goes against your specific play style just as others like yourself…(forum trolls) You know the ones that you and your buddies troll until the topic you do not agree with until it becomes locked.

1. ex•ploit
/ikˈsploit/
Verb
Make full use of and derive benefit from



The OP brought up a valid concern effecting game play. As is the mechanic of -10 sec status does not have any negative repercussions for just refitting and undocking over and over. I am sure you feel this fine. Others feel there needs to be some sort of penalty. So those that do this are exploiting the current game mechanics.

If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2013-05-03 19:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:



Even when spelled out you will choose to see only that which you want to see. Perhaps first start by learning the definition of the word exploit. It’s not my place or desire to educate you batltec. Regardless of the specifics you will choose not to see or acknowledge anything that goes against your specific play style just as others like yourself…(forum trolls) You know the ones that you and your buddies troll until the topic you do not agree with until it becomes locked.

1. ex•ploit
/ikˈsploit/
Verb
Make full use of and derive benefit from



The OP brought up a valid concern effecting game play. As is the mechanic of -10 sec status does not have any negative repercussions for just refitting and undocking over and over. I am sure you feel this fine. Others feel there needs to be some sort of penalty. So those that do this are exploiting the current game mechanics.

If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have.


Great you gave me the definition of the word.

Now how about telling what we are exploiting exactly? Given that exploiting exploits in game is a bannable offence I have a vested interest in knowing what it is I am exploiting.

As for the lack of punishment. How exactly is being open to attack from everyone, attacked by faction police on site, open to attack by station and gate guns, showing up as flashy red in bot local and on everyones overview as well as getting our ship blown out from under us and camped by concord for15 minutes as well as generating a killright on our head redeemable by anyone at any time not a punishment?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#59 - 2013-05-03 19:24:26 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have.

I'd like to hear your suggestion.

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#60 - 2013-05-03 19:27:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Perhaps first start by learning the definition of the word exploit.
Yes, please do. Go to the EULA/TOS section of this site and find the definition there because it is the only one that matters.

Quote:
The ability to gank over and over with no repercussions should not be possible.
First of all, it isn't. Secondly, even if it were, why should it not be?

Quote:
As is the mechanic of -10 sec status does not have any negative repercussions for just refitting and undocking over and over.
Sure it does. The “problem” (which isn't really the right word, but let's go with it for now) is that a large portion of those repercussions are meant to be delivered by other players. If those players decide to give the outlaws a free pass and void that penalty, then that's their choice and not something that's wrong with the game.

Quote:
If you want to be a pirate then be one but those choices should come at a far greater cost then you currently have.
It already does if you, personally, choose to make it so. Your decision not to and to make it free for them isn't the pirates' problem.