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Kheda Mi-efti Sefrim.
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Laria Raven
The Scope
#21 - 2013-05-02 10:59:04 UTC
I don't get lost. And certainly not in an ocean.

Fallen from grace. And as night comes, may flights of Angels visit your sleep... shoot your ships and steal all of your stuff.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-05-02 11:19:07 UTC
He certainly is a colorful character, isn't he? We shall have to compare notes sometime.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2013-05-02 12:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiroth
An inspirational writing... If one ignores most of the message within.

Koronakesh wrote:
Only through the purifying and transformative death of the mortal vessel can one's freed soul fly to the Gate
Indeed. But:

Koronakesh wrote:
your very existence in its corporeal form, your presence in New Eden, is itself a sin that all humanity commits.
The life of each individual, and the whole of New Eden, is a gift from God. Sure, there are many people that choose willfully to turn away from those gifts or to befoul them, and we all know where they will end up for their choice. But how dare you to say that every human being is guilty by the fact of it simply existing? God created our universe in this form and us in this corporeal form. Who are you to judge if God's creation has completely failed Him or not? God will judge our sins. Not you, or any other homicidal heretic or false prophet.
Safai
Yaqin
#24 - 2013-05-02 21:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Safai
Laria Raven wrote:
I don't get lost. And certainly not in an ocean.

You already are, child.


Now, Tamiroth, dear ...

Tamiroth wrote:
The life of each individual, and the whole of New Eden, is a gift from God.

Life, perhaps, but to think the whole of New Eden is a gift intended for humanity is a horrid misunderstanding. This is a truly, truly sinful way of thought, and I must warn one to not entertain it.

Tamiroth wrote:
But how dare you to say that every human being is guilty by the fact of it simply existing?

How dare you assert that you are free from owing restitution? Prove your innocence. The Lord knows you, He will know what to make of you. I, however, do not know you, and until you prove otherwise you are an obstacle on the path to humanity's redemption.

Tamiroth wrote:
God created our universe in this form

His universe. It is His. Not "our," and certainly never "your" or anyone else's, but His and belongs to Him alone.

Tamiroth wrote:
Who are you to judge if God's creation has completely failed Him or not?

God's garden is perfect, it has not failed Him. It is we, right here, who have failed Him, and we will continue to pay for the grave error of our ancestors until we join our brothers and sisters in paradise.

And yes, He will indeed judge all our sins.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-05-03 00:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiroth
Safai wrote:
His universe. It is His. Not "our," and certainly never "your" or anyone else's, but His and belongs to Him alone.
Even when someone is settled somewhere on a master's permission, he or she often takes to calling his abode "my home", even if he always remembers that his home and everything else around it belongs to his master. New Eden is our home. And it will be so until the Maker decides that it is time for us to leave.

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Life, perhaps, but to think the whole of New Eden is a gift intended for humanity is a horrid misunderstanding.
Perhaps. But our forefathers were brought here and allowed to settle throughout New Eden by the will of God, direct or indirect. When the ancestors of the races of the cluster had forgotten His light and fell into dark ages, He did not choose to exterminate the humanity that turned away from Him. Instead, He chose a group of people on Athra to bring forth His message - not the message of death and destruction, but a message of Reclaiming of human souls.

I understand. It is within the concept of Reclaiming that lies the difference. Sure, why bother with bringing billions of people to the light through multiple generations, when it is much easier just to kill them all and let God sort them out?

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God's garden is perfect, it has not failed Him. It is we, right here, who have failed Him, and we will continue to pay for the grave error of our ancestors until we join our brothers and sisters in paradise.
As long as there are true believers left, "we" - as in "the humanity" - have not failed Him. And even then, who knows -- if the Amarr fail at their divine task and the new Dark Age comes, God may chose another people to champion the newly ignited faith. Or not, and purge New Eden of our presence - but it will be not up to EoM to decide.

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How dare you assert that you are free from owing restitution? Prove your innocence.
A restitution of what? If you are talking about my soul, God can claim it any second as easily as a random particle might collide with other and fall apart. We all have a purpose. If I am still alive, then my preordained purpose is not yet fulfilled.

I am not innocent; noone is. But you are not God or his messenger; you are not a mortal steward he put in charge of the faithful, or one of the clergy, or a Speaker of Truth; you hold no authority over me and so I am not obliged to prove anything to you.

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The Lord knows you, He will know what to make of you. I, however, do not know you, and until you prove otherwise you are an obstacle on the path to humanity's redemption.
To the perverse path of "redemption of humanity" through mass slaughter I am, indeed, an obstacle, and I'll try to do my best to be as annoying of an obstacle as one failed history student made into a pilot can be.
Safai
Yaqin
#26 - 2013-05-03 05:10:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Safai
Tamiroth, thank you for the swift reply.

Certainly, I agree with you on some points made: your record of Athra is correct and I am glad you understand the crucial difference lies in God's edict to the Amarrian people. What troubles me is your interpretation of the path; this is not the easy way to the Reclaiming, like you so assert. There is truly nothing easy about the Reclaiming at all.

What our blessed prophet Ocilan shows us, however, is a restoration of the original; the very purpose of the decree being to guide the Lord's wayward children back to Him. Our prophet Ocilan's doctrine is backed by the teachings of the oracle Aramon Khalid, culled from scripture during the early days of an Empire going corrupt, in a vile attempt to twist the Reclaiming for covetous desires. What Aramon Khalid shows us, and what the Empire's Theology Council denies, is God's clear disapproval of our presence here and how we can be at His side once again. You understand by now that I believe the burden of that error our ancestors made, along with the sin we brought into the Lord's garden, still rests on humankind here today.

The Gallenteans actually once came very close to discovering this on their own, I believe; from what I understand, their findings correlate with Aramon Khalid's testimony of humanity entering the Lord's garden through a single point and actually stems from studying Amarrian antiquity. Unfortunately the message was not properly received by them, and now forms the basis of what the scientific community calls the "common origin theory." It really is a shame.

But I am digressing. You speak of New Eden as if it is your home when it is not, which you have even illustrated for me—being an "often" done thing does not make it any holier in the eyes of the Lord—and the Lord has spoken to his faithful throughout the ages to make it clear that our home is not here.

And of course, our Lord can claim your soul as easily as you say, but I think we both know He does not work so blatantly. No, it is not Equilibrium's decision New Eden be cleansed. That decision is God's alone, and we will see it done.

I am God's messenger. One of few.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-05-03 07:57:04 UTC
Thank-you, Safai.

Your posts have helped me build on my (admittedly cursory) understanding of the Seekers.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#28 - 2013-05-03 15:59:33 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Is it just me or are the Amarrian heretics far more interesting than the orthodox types? At least most of the heretics can construct a coherent sentence and don't go around shouting "Amarr Victor" every chance they get.

Oh, and hello Louella. It's good to see you back on the IGS again.


The Amarr heretics put on a song and dance routine, because their theology is hollow. It is all a facade.

Hi.

Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/
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