Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The Devs stated long ago that they will never lock anyone out of any section of space. This includes use of the immortal unbeatable space police.

I recommend one dose of HTFU every 8 hours, repeat as needed.


Also, show us on the doll where the ganker touched you.

That is just not true.
Just go neg 10 yourself someday and you will see...

Well, yea, it is perfectly possible to gank people in hi-sec despite your sec status being -10 (or whatever) therefore dedicated ganking chars pretty much do not have to care about sec status at all.
Is it part of sandbox? well... rules allow it, so why not use it, nothing 'bad' or 'wrong' about that per se
Is it fair? well... not, not really, it is one more of those contorted mechanics that will screw new players who expect it not to happen once they learn about sec status and stuff. But well... EVE is not fair, is it? :)
Is it intended functionality of sec status mechanics? I wonder myself, would be really nice to see devs state their opinion about it

personally... well, I cannot care less; cutting such mechanics might help with new player retention (or it might not, hard to say) and as for everyone else, as long as you are aware of rules (metagame, not game rules themselves) and keep reasonable amount of precaution you will be fine;
only thing that mildly irritates is state of official documentation about problems such as this one, but one gets used to horrible state of EVE documentation with time (sure I know little ugly details, many others do, but new guys do not and have good habit of getting screwed by some dirty detail (but that is different topic))

Since when did they stop paying insurance for Concord kills? I'm actually serious about this cause I haven't really been paying attention.
You can mine just not in HS
You can run missions just not in HS
You can run a POS just not in HS
You can run incursions just not in HS
You can do exploration
You can do trade
Loss of account usefulness is a player reaction not a game mechanics one. There are some corps that don't give a ****.
Same as above.

So not much of a loss, unless you want to do what most gankers seem to hate.

I think the issue people have is that ganking has become so prevalent that "HS warriors" believe that ganking should be the norm when it should be rare. Due to the lack of consequences from ganking it has instilled this mindset. Any nerfs to ganking or increased restrictions can be blamed on the gankers themselves. When you abuse something CCP will act. Pick your ganks, not gank anything that moves. If you want constant PVP do decs or go outside of HS.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2966270#post2966270

There's an option. Dev's aren't locking the people out, the people are locking the people out.

Only for those who lack initiative and the ability to adapt and co-operate as a group. It's actually very easy to disrupt their income but people can't be bothered or are maybe just too stupid to do so. In fact, you don't even need to co-operate with anyone, just have an alt with you.

Yep, we use alt accounts. Most of us actually have to use two entirely separate alt chains in fact (CCP loves the bux from that). Our "ganker" side, with the gank toon, the funding source for the toon (A gank toon can't make they own cash too well), and assorted other supports. We then have our totally unconnected in any way "other" accounts that we use for whatever not-ganking fun we wish to engage in. The API tells all, and if my main account sends even 1 ISK over to this toon, it's forever "contaminated".

Now for your other point, you are confusing EVE with RL. One of the advantages to training up a second account, is that it's disconnected from anything my other toons do. You don't get to punish the players behind the keyboard, only the avatar (and via API extension, the account) of the person you want to punish, using the game mechanics. If you wish to get at the "me" behind the KB, you're welcome to metagame it...but be really careful of the out-of-game line.


Some things that may amaze you...I know folks with accounts in both goonswarm and TEST. There are folks who have one account fighting the New Order, and a second flying with us on ganksprees. Folks play both sides of faction warfare constantly.


Here's a really simple freebie on how to obstruct a ganker's income. Set sale orders for commonly used ganker items. Take all those transactions, smoosh them together, and look for names that seem to appear constantly. Run locators on that name. It's now an exercise to the reader as to what to do next. (Secret note, the New Order does the same thing with mining mindlinks and Michi's.)


Also bro, WTF on that corp name? I mean, you get your abloobloobloo from me on this one, but using "gay" as an insult is something an 8 year old who doesn't know better does. I mean, unless you legit think there's something wrong with being gay, well...

people like james 420 need rl psychiatric help imo

If they are outlaws, just point them anywhere in highsec and the faction police will do the rest. A gank Catalyst has no tank, and blaster range is a lot less than even a scram. Barges and exhumers have plenty of mid slots. Fit a warp disruptor, and the next time you happen to see a red flashy at a gate, lock them and point them.

It's not true that kill rights on outlaws are useless. They are an endless source of amusement as anyone who gets the notifications can attest. You can tell how mad their owners are by how much they charge to activate them. And oh my, those threats in local chat of revenge made possible by the kill rights. No amount of calm attempts to explain game mechanics makes any difference. Kill rights represent hope, and hope springs eternal.

correct me if I'm wrong (because, well, ships are easy to replace) ... but isn't a pilot that's -5.01 or lower KOS to anyone at any time?

-10 definitely is ... just camp the gates/undocks and wait for their pod ... but that would obviously require some form of teamwork/coordination...