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Proposal for CSM Chairman, Secretary.

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2013-05-03 05:24:15 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
In the old CSM the chairman was the head of the CSM body, it is now according to the white paper the position responsible for communication.


When you turn "responsible for communication" into "he has to do it himself" you're doing nothing other than proving how completely out of your depth you are even trying to suggest anything about the CSM.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#142 - 2013-05-03 05:38:33 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
In the old CSM the chairman was the head of the CSM body, it is now according to the white paper the position responsible for communication.


When you turn "responsible for communication" into "he has to do it himself" you're doing nothing other than proving how completely out of your depth you are even trying to suggest anything about the CSM.

The CSM Chairman's role is for the person responsible for communications.

How does that have anything to do with "he has to do it himself" or are we up to the part of the Goonswarm handbook where just just start babbling to try to shut down a thread.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#143 - 2013-05-03 05:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
I think the biggest problem here is that you think the CSM Chairmans position is the same as it was.

It Is Not.

The Chairman used to be the head of the CSM and was placed there though having the largest number of votes, or as in CSM7s case, dirty backroom politics, that elected someone that went MIA again into the position.

The CSM Chairman is now as of this election the person responsible for communications between the CSM and CCP, and the CSM and the player base. It is no longer a leadership role.

So someone taking the role who does not suit it, is very much for their own egos and not for the good of the CSM.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2013-05-03 05:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Frying Doom wrote:
The CSM Chairman's role is for the person responsible for communications.

How does that have anything to do with "he has to do it himself" or are we up to the part of the Goonswarm handbook where just just start babbling to try to shut down a thread.


You inferred that his personal communication abilities are somehow relevant to the chair position. I pointed out how shortsighted and idiotic that was. Simple Smile

As an aside, mods can you filter "shortsighted and idiotic" to "Frying Doom"?

Frying Doom wrote:
I think the biggest problem here is that you think the CSM Chairmans position is the same as it was.

It Is Not..


BUT THE WHITE PAPER SAYS ITS DIFFERENT THEREFORE IT HAS TO BE ITS NOT THE SAME BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT

So far out of your depth you need an atmospheric suit at this point.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#145 - 2013-05-03 05:53:24 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
The CSM Chairman's role is for the person responsible for communications.

How does that have anything to do with "he has to do it himself" or are we up to the part of the Goonswarm handbook where just just start babbling to try to shut down a thread.


You inferred that his personal communication abilities are somehow relevant to the chair position. I pointed out how shortsighted and idiotic that was. Simple Smile

As an aside, mods can you filter "shortsighted and idiotic" to "Frying Doom"?

Frying Doom wrote:
I think the biggest problem here is that you think the CSM Chairmans position is the same as it was.

It Is Not..


BUT THE WHITE PAPER SAYS ITS DIFFERENT THEREFORE IT HAS TO BE ITS NOT THE SAME BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT

So far out of your depth you need an atmospheric suit at this point.

The White paper is the document that governs the CSM.

Which means that yes, The chairman is the person responsible for communication, not leadership. So yes their personally ability to communicate is relevant to the selection of the chairman.

Your inability to grasp this really does show how badly you require a meaningless title for a member of your Alliance.

It would appear that it is you who are out of your depth, as you cannot adapt to change. What is it you Goons always say to Hi-sec carebears when the game changes, "Adapt or Die", well now it is your turn.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2013-05-03 05:55:54 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
[Your inability to grasp this really does show how badly you require a meaningless title for a member of your Alliance.


This from the guy who cares so much about said "meaningless title" he devoted an entire new thread to talking about it.

ps I don't give a **** if mynnna gets the chair or not hth

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#147 - 2013-05-03 06:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
[Your inability to grasp this really does show how badly you require a meaningless title for a member of your Alliance.


This from the guy who cares so much about said "meaningless title" he devoted an entire new thread to talking about it.

ps I don't give a **** if mynnna gets the chair or not hth

If someone who has no ability to communicate, takes the chairman's position, then it is a worthless title.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2013-05-03 06:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Frying Doom wrote:
no ability to communicate


Please name the CSM 8 members that fit this description.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#149 - 2013-05-03 06:31:00 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
no ability to communicate


Please name the CSM 8 members that fit this description.

I miss spoke, people who have poor communication skills for a role as Chairman of the CSM.

Like when you did when you said "Seleene and Trebor are both fine communicators, but their chair/vice chair performance left a lot to be desired."

Maybe you should look at Seleenes and Trebors blogs, to familiarize your self with poor communication skills.

Seleene's
http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com.au/

Trebor's
http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com.au/

Selennes just stops and Trebors is mostly about re-electing him.

But apparently you are unaware of what good communication looks like.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2013-05-03 06:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Frying Doom wrote:
I miss spoke, people who have poor communication skills for a role as Chairman of the CSM.


List them, please. No links to blogs, no tangents, just list the members of CSM 8 that you feel are poor communicators.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#151 - 2013-05-03 06:41:54 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I miss spoke, people who have poor communication skills for a role as Chairman of the CSM.


List them, please.

Well off the top of my head, how about we start with Mynnna. This is a thread about the CSM Chairman and at no point has he come forward with why he would make a good communicator and subsequently make a Good Chairman.

We are 8 pages in and the level of communication as to why he would be an excellent choice for the position has been, 0.

Now you could argue that I am not a member of the CSM and only a player, so I don't deserve the reasons why but a good communicator would realize that as a member of the player base in a public forum, this is exactly the place to list those qualities.

Next how about Trebor, he had his chance to communicate during CSM, he dropped the ball so badly it still has not been found.

Those are the two that before the election ended said they would try for the position.

But if you have a problem with the Chairmans position now being about communication, it is CSM7 who assisted in changing the white paper, not I.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#152 - 2013-05-03 06:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
So mynnna is out because he hasn't explained to you personally why he would make a good chair even though you have literally zero influence on the decision, and Trebor is out because he was bad at communication last year.

That's it? Or are there more? It doesn't seem like you've put much thought into this.

(Also please note the irony of "he hasn't explained himself to me" being a clear strike against him when you talk about doing things for ego)

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#153 - 2013-05-03 06:51:45 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
So mynnna is out because he hasn't explained to you personally why he would make a good chair even though you have literally zero influence on the decision, and Trebor is out because he was bad at communication last year.

That's it? Or are there more? It doesn't seem like you've put much thought into this.


I would bother to go through more but I was expecting a rather pointless response, for example "So mynnna is out because he hasn't explained to you personally why he would make a good chair even though you have literally zero influence on the decision" as I said this is a public forum and the voters are the people who need to know the why just as much as the other CSM members do. Inability to grasp that by itself is example enough of poor communications. The fact that a member of the voting population went to the trouble to write a thread as to why Mynnna would not be a good chairman, is reason enough to respond as to why.

As to Trebor, you don't believe past performance, is an indication to inability?

You are now just grasping at straws, so you can justify a member of your alliance taking the Chairman's position just for his ego.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2013-05-03 06:54:48 UTC
"Guys I could totally list more but I won't because reasons"

- Frying Doom

List the members that are poor at communication. You've got two so far, and both with pretty spurious reasons (Trebor's should have been easy but you even found a way to **** that one up too). There's 11 to go, since Mike Azariah is clearly your boy. Make with the list already.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#155 - 2013-05-03 06:56:34 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
(Also please note the irony of "he hasn't explained himself to me" being a clear strike against him when you talk about doing things for ego)

Oh and as to your irony edit.

All it has to do with me is that I posted the thread, it was he that would not come forth and answer as to why he would be a communicator to all those who read these forums. As there are a lot more lurkers on here than there are posters.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#156 - 2013-05-03 06:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Snow Axe wrote:
"Guys I could totally list more but I won't because reasons"

- Frying Doom

List the members that are poor at communication. You've got two so far, and both with pretty spurious reasons (Trebor's should have been easy but you even found a way to **** that one up too). There's 11 to go, since Mike Azariah is clearly your boy. Make with the list already.

No i did not list more as I said as you would just make up useless excuses.

As you did not bother to actually think about what I wrote there is little point continuing the list as you will just continue to ignore it.

Lets face it "Trebor is out because he was bad at communication last year." I try and avoid saying this but

Yeah, Duh

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2013-05-03 07:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Frying Doom wrote:
All it has to do with me is that I posted the thread, it was he that would not come forth and answer as to why he would be a communicator to all those who read these forums. As there are a lot more lurkers on here than there are posters.


You didn't just post the thread, you posted the thread, complete with your ~personal recommendation~ and a rather inflammatory stance on a chair that may be from nullsec and the effects it would have. It's only when you're asked for a concise explanation of anything you say that you get all stupid and blurf on and on about mynnna as if he's the only person who may get the chair.

Right now I'm asking for your reasoning in saying that Mike Azariah is the best choice for the job, especially now that you've shifted your own personal narrative from "nullsec is bad" to "bad communicators". Your failure to do that is only furthering your irrelevance, which I guess is shocking enough that there's still room for it to sink.

If you want any further discussion on specific candidates, either complete your list OR concede that your list of bad communicators ends with the only two you mentioned.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#158 - 2013-05-03 07:11:15 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
All it has to do with me is that I posted the thread, it was he that would not come forth and answer as to why he would be a communicator to all those who read these forums. As there are a lot more lurkers on here than there are posters.


You didn't just post the thread, you posted the thread, complete with your ~personal recommendation~ and a rather inflammatory stance on a chair that may be from nullsec and the effects it would have. It's only when you're asked for a concise explanation of anything you say that you get all stupid and blurf on and on about mynnna as if he's the only person who may get the chair.

Right now I'm asking for your reasoning in saying that Mike Azariah is the best choice for the job, especially now that you've shifted your own personal narrative from "nullsec is bad" to "bad communicators". Your failure to do that is only furthering your irrelevance, which I guess is shocking enough that there's still room for it to sink.

If you want any further discussion on specific candidates, either complete your list OR concede that your list of bad communicators ends with the only two you mentioned.

Mike is the best choice for the CSM as the PR benefits to the CSM would be immense and after all these years of Null sec Chairman I believe it would help n the CSM9 elections for voter turn out, as well as voter education throughout the next 11 months and CCP actually supporting the CSM at the start of the election rather than the end.

Also as I said originally he describes himself as "I have been active in the community since 2008.. I currently help host the podcast Podside, I have had a blog as a proud member of the Eve Blog Pack for more than four years. I have written for Eon and the Eve Tribune, often doing commentary on the CSM."

He has a blog, he has the necessary communication skills and on top of it all he is from Hi-sec.

Given that CSM7 allowed the STV system to be implemented, so now we have 10 Null sec members, voter interest will drop even further unless CCP really stick their foot in it.

As I said the Chairman's position is now a communication position, and given the high level of null representation CSM9 could be the least representative yet to come, unless something is done.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#159 - 2013-05-03 07:15:57 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
If you want any further discussion on specific candidates, either complete your list OR concede that your list of bad communicators ends with the only two you mentioned.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#160 - 2013-05-03 07:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Snow Axe wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
If you want any further discussion on specific candidates, either complete your list OR concede that your list of bad communicators ends with the only two you mentioned.


Then might I suggest you look up the word discussion.

Not that it matters much. This thread has ascertained that Mynnna and Trecbor are ill suited for the role of communicator.

While a Hi-sec member would be beneficial to the CSM, I do agree that there other members on the CSM that are excellent communicators, Ripard Teg for example would be reasonable choice, so long as the reasoning is what is best for the CSM, not just what is best for Null or one of its alliances, for example Mike did not actually want the job and Mangala Solaris is classes as unsuitable for example. With 10 members of the CSM being from Null, it would be a wasted PR opportunity for a Null member to take the chairmanship.

So if The position went to a proven good communicator, ego might still play a part but, if a poor communicator takes the chair. well then it is definitely ego.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!