Science & Industry

I realize this has probably been discussed before, but I'm having a hard time finding it: Is there a source listing how many of each t2 bpo CCP gave out during the t2 bpo lottery?

Surprisingly there are no articles about the bpo lottery on eve wiki or evelopedia. I would also like to know how long the lottery lasted, detailed mechanics of how it worked, and if there is a list of t2 bpos that have been destroyed (transport kills, banned accounts, etc) The list of how many original releases is most the most important thing though.

Thanks!

That ended like 7 or 8 years ago which predates any official wiki. There may be something in an old dev blog or in the old forums but those would be the only places that would most likely be if it was made public at all.

There is no official accounting of T2 BPO awarded or still in circulation.

Probably because it doesn't matter.

No problem. I'll state it unequivocally for any other item too.

They /don't/ matter for those items.

Sure, they could be said to be distorting the market, by making it unprofitable to make them using invention.

However, there is one reason, and one reason alone they can.

The markets pretty much don't exist. If they did, BPOs wouldn't be enough to supply them, so the price would rise to the point where people could make a profit with invention. That's just supply and demand for you.

And it's not like anyone is being forced to make them at a loss. Only people who would are the same kind of people who would make a Drake at a loss. People who don't do their research first.

Thank you Steve Ronuken and RubyPorto.

Some additional food for thought. Consider the three groups that were only touched upon above:

Group 1: For some reason, some people feel they have a right to a profit making whatever they want to make. They completely ignore the needs of the market (often driving down prices in the process), then come into this forum and complain that the world doesn't spin in their preferred direction.

Group 2: Then there is also the "it's a game crowd". They've posted in this forum that they don't care about making profits, because they just like building stuff. They are almost like the "Minerals I Mine Are Free" (MIMAF) crowd, except they do know what they are doing, but they just don't care. They don't put a value on their time.

Group 3: Lastly there is the MIMAF crowd. I like to think they simply don't know better, unlike group 2.

Now add the above groups into the mix that Steve Ronuken and RubyPorto mentioned. Start with an item that has such low demand that the few existing T2 BPO meet most of it, then add in manufacturers that sell below a profitable invention cost. There is no room in that market for additional manufacturers seeking to make a profit!

An advantage for the T2 BPO holders? Possibly as they are the only ones earning any ISK, but they have very limited-by-BPO production capability, and quite a large amount of opportunity cost (many billions). I am personally thankful that they help keep prices down on low demand items. I'd sell the T2 BPO and use the ISK to invest in inventing T2 items the market wants to buy a lot of at a respectable profit.

Finally I'll mention that everybody and their grandmother thinks ship manufacturing is sexy. That's a lot of competitors which further reduces profit margins, and leads to endless 0.01 ISK battles in trade hubs.

The more you know...

and there's group 4 that wants to invent underpants because, you know, no underpants no profit.

No.

to decrease oversupply. on a long term it would probably not change much for the individual, but would allow more ppl to produce with profit.

What problem, specifically, would it solve? What kind of "dynamics," specifically, would it introduce?

A lot of T2 modules are not in that low demand. Build more popular modules. "Problem" solved.


There's plenty of room for profitable T2 manufacturing of modules. Just don't be terrible at market research and you'll do fine.