EVE General Discussion

First off, an apology if I missed something in the last 3 pages of this impressive threadnaught, but that's just too much speculation to read.

Second, not entirely sure if two (actually, three, scanning included) minigames are necessary when one ought to be enough, at least when it comes to hacking. Now, when did a blueprint or some data stored in a derelict ship suddenly turn into a physical object that has to fly out of it?

If it has to be hacking, shouldn't it be more about one minigame where you attempt to capture nodes (kudos to someone mentioning Deus Ex 3), and some of these nodes might contain data of interest, while others could be mostly useless. The whole "board" could be randomly generated, with obstacles, security hubs and all that, and some chance could also be involved based on character skills. The more data nodes someone tries to hack, the more chance of being caught by ice, and then you get nothing, and the system locks up for you for a considerable time. So it's like gambling - know when to bet and when to walk home with what you already have.

Naturally, having more people cooperate could be good to take more nodes within the time that system security is looking for them, and there will always be more nodes that are left behind, unhacked, without having a feeling of a cookie taken out of your mouth (already jettisonned, but not gathered loot).

Also, there should be no competition on who hacks first. That wouldn't be EvE. Once someone starts hacking, it's all his (and his corps) alone. Don't want to lose a site to them? Kill them, blow their ships up. Any PvP-related action against the hacker should probably break the hacking attempt (in hisec, it would also spawn CONCORD, unless legal reasons for engagement exist).

Anyway, these were my personal thoughts on what could be a better solution. Not sure if CCP is still reading this thread, and since this game is full of Special Snowflakes(tm) like me, I wouldn't hold my breath for this particular idea to get any regard.

One thing obvious from this thread is that at least half the posters here feel some concern regarding the catch-the-loot mechanic, and that concern will probably stay till it is player-testable on SiSi. What I fear, however, is that by then the question of "how to balance it" will be the only one asked, and the fact that it is to be implemented will be carved in stone, if it is not already. Ah well, that ought to get me sad for one evening, go grab a beer and some horror flick, and be done with it.

If anything, this aspect is going away as a conflict driver.

My corp recently went to war with someone who did that, until we looted/ransomed back the value of what was stolen + war fees. With the new loot barf...boo hoo.. he took some cans that were going to disappear anyway... who cares?

It probably sucks hearing you ideas are awful, Devs, but this idea is ******.


Clicking dissolving cans? Really? Put this on SiSi so you can have more people tell you how awful this idea is.

Better yet, put this on the Odyssey info page. "NEW in Odyssey, dissolving cans that destroy loot!"

Seriously, what is the logic behind dissolving cans? I can eject **** from my cargo and it stays there for eons. What makes these cans different?

Perhaps SiSi will change my mind, but this content sucks.

Space magic. The same space magic that gives your missiles limited range, ensures your ship is always "right side up", and limits your drone capabilities to 5 per ship regardless of your total bandwidth.

There is a place where logic has to stop for the sake of gameplay. I'm not saying that the gameplay presented here is good or bad, just that the idea of using "It isn't logical!" isn't a very good one when we're talking about immortal space ship pilots, bumping without physical damage to either party, and instantaneous communication between pilots through wormholes.

Can we make the salvage drones do the tedious work?
If not: how will it not be tedious?

Just had a thought about the changes...


Have CCP re-written the Rookie tutorials?


Now that would be funny if they forgot.

I was trying to parse the demo at fanfest but couldn't tell. Signatures still spawning within 0 to 5 aus of a celestial?

Oh, I remember walking down the side walk in the city once as a kid. Huge commotion up ahead near a local bar of ill repute. When I got there I saw this big, burly, hairy, naked, man with lots of little cuts on him. The sweat rolling off him so thick he could have turned the Sahara into an oasis and he breathed like some angry rhino after one too many charges. He was ramming his genitals into a motorcycle exhaust pipe with his eyes rolled back in his head while mumbling incoherently to Jesus. All around him and the bike were alcohol bottles and little bags of pills. Some one was looking at one of the bags and turned around to the crowd and said three simple letters: PCP.

At that point I only had half the information. However, I didn’t need to take PCP to know and understand that it was some REALLY bad ****.

*Watches the fanfest exploration video excerpt again...*

Having thought a little about this, I think the animation where they spew out into space looks fantastic and is perfectly realistic. But turning it into a mini-game seems odd. Why exactly are they spontaneously disappearing for no reason? They should just continue to exist until you pick them up because there will still be a motivation tog et them fast. If you don't react fast enough to get one you've have to travel long distances to get it later and waste a load of time.

I think where they have tried to make it some kind of mini-game that's easier with friends is where it started to feel like some random little unrealistic mini-game.

every other container did not just burst out of a wreck at drift for 50k+ years (or whatever the time span since the collaps of the eve-gate is).
normal jet-cans last for 2h. anchored containers last longer. those old loot cans don't. blame it on vacuum ablation and avaricious suppliers back on old mother earth.