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I'm sorry CCP, that we the pilots, are stoping EVE from growing

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-05-02 19:21:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
What, EXACTLY do you think you'll get from more people subscribing to EVE online. And yea, it's a pretty rhetorical question

Mining leftover veldspar on a high sec island under 10% TiDi

ooooh yeaaahhh baby. Now THAT's the stuff.

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Augustine Artrald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-05-02 19:27:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Augustine Artrald wrote:
Zak Breen wrote:
From my (shoddy) experience the main reason why new people quit is because EVE isn't a short-term game to play. It takes months if not years to actually get anything out of it.


Are you saying this is a good thing? Honestly, if it takes months, years, or, hell, even a week for someone to get "anything" out of something, that person should probably look elsewhere for entertainment.


Good, that means they aren't EVE material.


I'm starting to think that some of you are incapable of expressing an original thought, dependent upon a repository of trite one-liners. Not "EVE material"? Well, then, it seems that your concept of appropriate material is that of an incredibly boring, unimaginative person willing to sludge his way through two years of tedium before suddenly, out of nowhere, arriving at a deeper appreciation of EVE.

Come on, EVE is a video game. No matter how much you want it to be, EVE is not some elusive, mysterious entity requiring years of careful examination to warrant enjoyment. If you honestly believe that someone should have to invest years into it before the game becomes rewarding, then you are in the minority and, certainly, lacking in imagination.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-05-02 19:29:37 UTC
Its days like this that make me want to quit EVE. Mostly because of the forums.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-05-02 19:31:40 UTC
Augustine Artrald wrote:
I'm starting to think that some of you are incapable of expressing an original thought, dependent upon a repository of trite one-liners. Not "EVE material"? Well, then, it seems that your concept of appropriate material is that of an incredibly boring, unimaginative person willing to sludge his way through two years of tedium before suddenly, out of nowhere, arriving at a deeper appreciation of EVE.

Come on, EVE is a video game. No matter how much you want it to be, EVE is not some elusive, mysterious entity requiring years of careful examination to warrant enjoyment. If you honestly believe that someone should have to invest years into it before the game becomes rewarding, then you are in the minority and, certainly, lacking in imagination.


No, it means if it takes you two years to find something enjoyable in Eve, then it's probably not for you. The very fact that it took you so long, whether though SP or ISK accumulation or whatever else, to have fun is what disqualifies you, not your unwillingness to slog through said two year period. In fact, you willingness to wait two years instead of just going out there and having fun right away also disqualifies you.

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Weetabix Kedgeree
Royton Patronnus
#65 - 2013-05-02 19:31:59 UTC


I'm starting to think that some of you are incapable of expressing an original thought, dependent upon a repository of trite one-liners. Not "EVE material"? Well, then, it seems that your concept of appropriate material is that of an incredibly boring, unimaginative person willing to sludge his way through two years of tedium before suddenly, out of nowhere, arriving at a deeper appreciation of EVE.

Come on, EVE is a video game. No matter how much you want it to be, EVE is not some elusive, mysterious entity requiring years of careful examination to warrant enjoyment. If you honestly believe that someone should have to invest years into it before the game becomes rewarding, then you are in the minority and, certainly, lacking in imagination.[/quote]


I dont this that at all, i do think that if it takes someone more than a few weeks to see how much fun this game can be, that maybe they should look elswhere for the type of fun that they perfer, nothing more nothing less.

Not sure why we would change an established game, that is doing very well for the parent company, when the changes would most likley alianate a large part of the current playerbase, while giving no gaurentee of increased subs from the outside.

I dont like everything about eve for sure, but there sure is a reason iv never in 10 years been able to completly quit the game, its the only game iv ever came back to multiple times over that long a time.......



Weets
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#66 - 2013-05-02 19:32:39 UTC
John Stuward wrote:
Gogela wrote:
...? Is the tl;dr; here that "EvE is dying?"

Roll


No, the purpose of the thread was not to state "EVE is dying." Far from. But neither is it at any state of real growth.


And you base that statement on what facts?

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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2013-05-02 19:33:53 UTC
Eve has experienced growth every year except maybe during incarna, with a pretty unique way to play (no levels, delayed gratification ,single shard with pvp etc) Meanwhile non-f2p MMOs are dying left and right, and even WoW is losing subs. If it's working, why would you switch to a model which has failed companie
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#68 - 2013-05-02 19:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
John Stuward wrote:


People say "They weren't meant for EVE" or "They aren't EVE material" as if it was a good thing. But do we really want to scare away the new and exciting and keep the old and bitter? Sure, EVE is something that appeals to a certain type, but for now it seems the vast majority are the types that take pride in the pain of others. Pride yourself as much as you want on that, but in the end, it's doing nothing but dragging everything down with you.

I've been here for about a year and a half, but I'd like to think that all my time of avoiding piracy and trying to go about things in a peaceful manner goes to show we can be better than what the majority has shown us to be.


I have been accused of being a broken record.

I plead Guilty, cuase Im gonna do it again: Why in HELL do you play a space ship game where they give you free guns (well, free "GUN" on every noob ship) to "go about things in a peaceful manner"? More to the point, why do you expect others to do so as well. Don't you understand you are playing a game in SPITE of what it is?

It's like playing that old Karate video game while being morally and religiously opposed to KICKING in all it's forms.

Don't you get it, it's YOU that's out of place, not us? (Which, BTW, is something I've always wanted to ask a serial killer ie"don't you know you're crazy?" lol).

EDIT: And it was just then that I answered my own question. You think more subs means nicer people than what you perceive already exists in EVE (ok ok, so Malcanis said it 1st lol).

The truth is, most of those people would be worse a-holes than EVE players.......Because they'd be spoiled ENTITLED themepark loving A-holes (ie most gamers) LOL.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-05-02 19:36:51 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
No, it means if it takes you two years to find something enjoyable in Eve, then it's probably not for you. The very fact that it took you so long, whether though SP or ISK accumulation or whatever else, to have fun is what disqualifies you, not your unwillingness to slog through said two year period. In fact, you willingness to wait two years instead of just going out there and having fun right away also disqualifies you.


Maybe it should clarify that it took 2 years to find something really enjoyable versus "This isn't a bad way to spend the time".

I mean if EVE was a horrible way to spend the time, then I doubt you would get past the first two weeks much less a full 2 years. I mean EVE isn't free so I think you would know right away if you enjoy it or not.

I mean it might take 2 years before it blows your mind, but if its not enjoyable at all then only masochists would play.

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Augustine Artrald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-05-02 19:37:22 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Augustine Artrald wrote:
I'm starting to think that some of you are incapable of expressing an original thought, dependent upon a repository of trite one-liners. Not "EVE material"? Well, then, it seems that your concept of appropriate material is that of an incredibly boring, unimaginative person willing to sludge his way through two years of tedium before suddenly, out of nowhere, arriving at a deeper appreciation of EVE.

Come on, EVE is a video game. No matter how much you want it to be, EVE is not some elusive, mysterious entity requiring years of careful examination to warrant enjoyment. If you honestly believe that someone should have to invest years into it before the game becomes rewarding, then you are in the minority and, certainly, lacking in imagination.


No, it means if it takes you two years to find something enjoyable in Eve, then it's probably not for you. The very fact that it took you so long, whether though SP or ISK accumulation or whatever else, to have fun is what disqualifies you, not your unwillingness to slog through said two year period. In fact, you willingness to wait two years instead of just going out there and having fun right away also disqualifies you.


I agree. Look at the posts of the two people I was quoting, and you will see that you are supporting my argument.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#71 - 2013-05-02 19:40:36 UTC
Augustine Artrald wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Augustine Artrald wrote:
Zak Breen wrote:
From my (shoddy) experience the main reason why new people quit is because EVE isn't a short-term game to play. It takes months if not years to actually get anything out of it.


Are you saying this is a good thing? Honestly, if it takes months, years, or, hell, even a week for someone to get "anything" out of something, that person should probably look elsewhere for entertainment.


Good, that means they aren't EVE material.


I'm starting to think that some of you are incapable of expressing an original thought, dependent upon a repository of trite one-liners. Not "EVE material"? Well, then, it seems that your concept of appropriate material is that of an incredibly boring, unimaginative person willing to sludge his way through two years of tedium before suddenly, out of nowhere, arriving at a deeper appreciation of EVE.

Come on, EVE is a video game. No matter how much you want it to be, EVE is not some elusive, mysterious entity requiring years of careful examination to warrant enjoyment. If you honestly believe that someone should have to invest years into it before the game becomes rewarding, then you are in the minority and, certainly, lacking in imagination.


and yet all of that is exactly what EVE was when i started playing, yet here I am, because I AM EVE material. in otherwords, I have the personality traits and temperament needed to enjoy EVE.

You don't and think there is something wrong with people like me. And yet YOU are the one spending precious time playing a video game you fundamentally dislike.............

Now, which one of us is crazy again?
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#72 - 2013-05-02 19:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
John Stuward wrote:


I've been here for about a year and a half, but I'd like to think that all my time of avoiding piracy and trying to go about things in a peaceful manner goes to show we can be better than what the majority has shown us to be.



70% of eve apparantly hangs out in highsec, 50% of eve players usually play solo apparently. Again, you need to show that the majority do something different to you.

I think you are just seeing the prominence given to bad events...which, as I said earlier, means nothing.


So, what you are complaining about is those who have a large megaphone, and tell a story which people want to read do not play like you.

This is no different from RL. Do you assume the headlines in the news represent a majority of people as well?


You talk about "avoiding piracy" like it was something that was difficult to do, or being peaceful.

Where do you get the idea that the majority of eve is not sitting in highsec, playing the market, building stuff, AFK mining or running around doing missions and incursions?

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-05-02 19:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Augustine Artrald wrote:
I agree. Look at the posts of the two people I was quoting, and you will see that you are supporting my argument.



hi5s then

im posting up a storm and not following "lines" of "conversation"

(im sorry)

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#74 - 2013-05-02 19:42:03 UTC
... posting in a thread that should have been locked for sheer lack of enthusiasm for our new Evil Overlords... Roll

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-05-02 19:42:45 UTC
Augustine Artrald wrote:

I'm starting to think that some of you are incapable of expressing an original thought, dependent upon a repository of trite one-liners. Not "EVE material"?

If you honestly believe that someone should have to invest years into it before the game becomes rewarding, then you are in the minority and, certainly, lacking in imagination.

A player who wants instant gratification is not eve material
A player who wants a game they can "finish" is not eve material
A player who can not handle a setback is not eve material
A player who wants a calm relaxing experience during their gaming leisure time is not eve material. Well ok, he can mine in high sec. But he's going to lose his marbles when he gets ganked and unsub. Because the game does not, at its core, offer what he is looking for.

It has nothing to do with investing years or rewards or other such nonsense. SP requirements are a myth used by bad players to drive away new players.

You don't look at a cat person and buy them a Pit bull. They're not Pit bull material.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#76 - 2013-05-02 19:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Augustine Artrald wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Augustine Artrald wrote:
I'm starting to think that some of you are incapable of expressing an original thought, dependent upon a repository of trite one-liners. Not "EVE material"? Well, then, it seems that your concept of appropriate material is that of an incredibly boring, unimaginative person willing to sludge his way through two years of tedium before suddenly, out of nowhere, arriving at a deeper appreciation of EVE.

Come on, EVE is a video game. No matter how much you want it to be, EVE is not some elusive, mysterious entity requiring years of careful examination to warrant enjoyment. If you honestly believe that someone should have to invest years into it before the game becomes rewarding, then you are in the minority and, certainly, lacking in imagination.


No, it means if it takes you two years to find something enjoyable in Eve, then it's probably not for you. The very fact that it took you so long, whether though SP or ISK accumulation or whatever else, to have fun is what disqualifies you, not your unwillingness to slog through said two year period. In fact, you willingness to wait two years instead of just going out there and having fun right away also disqualifies you.


I agree. Look at the posts of the two people I was quoting, and you will see that you are supporting my argument.


No he's not, because you're not really understanding what's being said. It didn't take me 2 years to find something to enjoy in EVE. I was enjoying the game on day one. But then i didn't come into it with unreasonable expectations, I researched it and KNEW it wasn't an instant gratification game.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#77 - 2013-05-02 19:45:56 UTC
If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-05-02 19:48:31 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The truth is, most of those people would be worse a-holes than EVE players.......Because they'd be spoiled ENTITLED themepark loving A-holes (ie most gamers) LOL.


I don't know. It always seem that EVE players talk about theme parks and entitlement while never really understanding the role of such games in the industry.

And that it can be perfectly logical to enjoy both themeparks and sandboxes.

Although EVE wouldn't be EVE without the violence and back stabbing, I would dare say it could do a lot less with the asshattery.

But there is no good way about doing that without starting to crack down on some behaviors. Considering how homo-phobic, rascist, and mysogentic statements go unpunished in some chat channels, I would seriously doubt anything would ever come of it.

Its as if people want to show their base natures in the most socially unacceptable ways because their parents didn't teach them any better.

Other than that EVE's a great game.

Truth be told. I don't think people are turned off by EVE because of what I even mentioned because it is limited in scope generally and unless they come to the forums, they won't see the worst of it.

EVE usually fails new players because of its lack of user friendliness and tutorial unexplainedness.

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Augustine Artrald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2013-05-02 19:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Augustine Artrald
Jenn aSide wrote:
And yet YOU are the one spending precious time playing a video game you fundamentally dislike.............

Now, which one of us is crazy again?


I'm going to wager that you might be crazy, as I wrote absolutely nothing at all indicating a dislike of the game on my behalf.

Jenn aSide wrote:
No he's not, because you're not really understanding what's being said. It didn't take me 2 years to find something to enjoy in EVE. I was enjoying the game on day on. But then i didn't come into it with unreasonable expectations, I researched it and KNEW it wasn't an instant gratification game.


Go back and read the initial post to which I originally responded, then the post of mine to which you originally responded. You will see that I was responding to someone who claimed EVE is only rewarding after years of experience; then you for some reason felt the need to bring up "EVE material."
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#80 - 2013-05-02 19:54:02 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:


I joined EvE to violence other people's boats in an environment, where the punishment for failure constitutes more than a 30 second respawn timer. It delivers.


I wanted to give you a high 5 after reading this, but realized I was jsut slapping my monitor. Damn, EVE is REAL.

Quote:

There is no need for catering to the masses for exponential growth. The masses are fickle and have short attention spans.


For some reason I imgainged you wearing a Togo and standing in the Roman Forum while saying this.

I probably need to step away from the computer for a bit and get some fresh air.....

.....

...ok, im back screw outside, more forum pvp!