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House Sarum “gearing up for next stage in Reclaiming”, aggressive warnings from Federation and Repub
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Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-05-02 17:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolas Merovech
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
I pray that Her Imperial Majesty and the other Royal Families will put their support behind House Sarum. The Reclaiming has been put on hold for too long.

Trust me. Regardless of the way a Reclaiming plays out, none of the outcomes have the mentally handicapped race-traitors of the Ammatar Mandate coming out ahead.


Race-traitor? Ixiris, I believe you have allowed your vision to narrow. We are all of the same race, the only difference is what planet our ancestors has the fortune to get stuck on. Dividing humanity into races is the first step to dehumanizing people; you should avoid doing so.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-05-02 17:34:21 UTC
Oh my *acts worried* I hope the Federations revamped fleet doctrine of small RDF's can handle this situation.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-05-02 17:37:38 UTC
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Race-traitor? Ixiris, I believe you have allowed your vision to narrow. We are all of the same race, the only difference is what planet our ancestors has the fortune to get stuck on. Dividing humanity into races is the first step to dehumanizing people; you should avoid doing so.

You know, even by this definition the Ammatar would still be race-traitors.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Uriel Khaden
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-05-02 17:38:14 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Uriel Khaden wrote:

...she and her immediate family became assimilated into the Emperor Family and act independently of all the royal houses. House Sarum is acting solely on the direction of its current head and heir: Merimeth Sarum.


Naievity of the highest order.


Call it what you will, heretic.

I explained the political procedure and nothing more.

If the Empress is involved in the direction of House Sarum, the political entity itself would still be acting under the direction of its current head, regardless of whether or not that head is acting on behalf of another entity. The Empress does not directly control the internal affairs of any of the royal houses.

You already understand this.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2013-05-02 17:46:09 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Race-traitor? Ixiris, I believe you have allowed your vision to narrow. We are all of the same race, the only difference is what planet our ancestors has the fortune to get stuck on. Dividing humanity into races is the first step to dehumanizing people; you should avoid doing so.

You know, even by this definition the Ammatar would still be race-traitors.


Actually, by that definition anyone who refuses to support the Empire is a race-traitor.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#46 - 2013-05-02 17:55:06 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
I pray that Her Imperial Majesty and the other Royal Families will put their support behind House Sarum. The Reclaiming has been put on hold for too long.

Trust me. Regardless of the way a Reclaiming plays out, none of the outcomes have the mentally handicapped race-traitors of the Ammatar Mandate coming out ahead.


I am not part of the Mandate.

And if the Empire comes out ahead, then we "race-traitors" come out ahead. Unlike the individualists of the Federation, we do not desire nor expect power beyond what we have been granted by our betters. We have been provided spiritual growth, and that is more important than any material rewards.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-05-02 18:03:25 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
I am not part of the Mandate.

And if the Empire comes out ahead, then we "race-traitors" come out ahead. Unlike the individualists of the Federation, we do not desire nor expect power beyond what we have been granted by our betters. We have been provided spiritual growth, and that is more important than any material rewards.

And that brain-damaged mode of thought is precisely why you won't come out ahead.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-05-02 18:10:36 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Race-traitor? Ixiris, I believe you have allowed your vision to narrow. We are all of the same race, the only difference is what planet our ancestors has the fortune to get stuck on. Dividing humanity into races is the first step to dehumanizing people; you should avoid doing so.

You know, even by this definition the Ammatar would still be race-traitors.


Actually, by that definition anyone who refuses to support the Empire is a race-traitor.


Idiots.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-05-02 18:30:06 UTC
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Race-traitor? Ixiris, I believe you have allowed your vision to narrow. We are all of the same race, the only difference is what planet our ancestors has the fortune to get stuck on. Dividing humanity into races is the first step to dehumanizing people; you should avoid doing so.

You know, even by this definition the Ammatar would still be race-traitors.


Actually, by that definition anyone who refuses to support the Empire is a race-traitor.

Idiots.

Indeed! My thoughts exactly.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2013-05-02 18:55:29 UTC
The sooner this ridiculousness is clamped down on, the better.
Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#51 - 2013-05-02 19:11:33 UTC
The concept of "race" is not something that's worthy of loyalty.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#52 - 2013-05-02 19:19:20 UTC
Down with this sort of thing.

Lots of you people will be left with egg on your face, should this turn out to be misdirection, and is in fact the Imperial response to the Covenant resurgence in the Bleak Lands.

Woe is you. Woe.

Woe.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-05-02 19:22:12 UTC
Natalcya Katla wrote:
The concept of "race" is not something that's worthy of loyalty.

No surprise you hold that belief, coming from a machine cult that wants to homogenise away every distinguishing feature humanity has.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#54 - 2013-05-02 19:56:55 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
No surprise you hold that belief, coming from a machine cult that wants to homogenise away every distinguishing feature humanity has.

To the best of my knowledge, Sansha Kuvakei has made no statements of intent regarding humanity as a whole.

For my own part, I'll just confirm my opinion that any "distinguishing features" that provoke humanity into splitting into a thousand vicious little war bands that love nothing better than to kill people who are different than they (like we see evidenced in the linked article, and the thread here) are features that humanity could do quite well without.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#55 - 2013-05-02 20:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Natalcya Katla wrote:
The concept of "race" is not something that's worthy of loyalty.


Thousands of years ago on the plains of Athra, my ancestors met the True Amarr and saw the truth of their beliefs. We set aside our false faiths, bowed our head to our spiritual betters, and became the noble warriors of the Empire. Three hundred years ago, my great uncle left the Empire and his ancestral home to follow King Khanid II. Not for glory or personal gain, but because his lord bade him do so.

This is in my blood: Millennia of service and loyalty. Of standing fast against the enemies of civilization. Of dignity and calm mixed with fervent belief in the Faith.

How is that not worthy of loyalty?

You would have all of humanity churned into a gray paste, histories forgotten and identities destroyed. And this bland nothingness is what you would call 'utopia.' Madness.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#56 - 2013-05-02 20:16:01 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
The trick is not who can strike first and catch their enemy off guard, but who can show restraint, favour will be shown by the rest of the cluster to those who have war brought upon them by force, not by choice.



Which, given that it was the Elders who attacked us, means that the Empire is in a favourable position.


Suppose if you want to play Chicken and the Egg that was a retaliatory strike long in await. The Elders weren't part of whatever treaty the Empire and Republic signed, they made their disregard for law quite clear at Yulai.


Regardless, the Elder fleet was dealt with by the return of the Empress. I believe that issue somewhat sorted itself out, unless you're really desperate to gnaw on old bones. If that is the case then I'm sure there are some Matari out there who'd like to dig up even older ones Admiral.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-05-02 20:34:11 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Natalcya Katla wrote:
The concept of "race" is not something that's worthy of loyalty.


Thousands of years ago on the plains of Athra, my ancestors met the True Amarr and saw the truth of their beliefs. We set aside our false faiths, bowed our head to our spiritual betters, and became the noble warriors of the Empire. This is in my blood: Millennia of service and loyalty. Of standing fast against the enemies of civilization. Of dignity and calm mixed with fervent belief in the Faith.


You would have all of humanity churned into a gray paste, histories forgotten and identities destroyed.


And the grand Amarrian empire was so benevolent as they crushed the lesser races they encountered under their war machine in the name of their faith right?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#58 - 2013-05-02 20:55:22 UTC
I swear, if I said that red velvet cake was the best, someone would disagree by telling me the Empire is evil.

Yes, the Empire conquered and subjugated a large number of worlds for religious reasons. How does this make race meaningless?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2013-05-02 21:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiroth
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Trust me. Regardless of the way a Reclaiming plays out, none of the outcomes have the mentally handicapped race-traitors of the Ammatar Mandate coming out ahead.
Oh, wow... What the Ammatar, or any other "race-traitor" of Matari ethnicity, ever did to you or your kin, mr. Ixiris?
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#60 - 2013-05-02 21:52:38 UTC
Dear Andreus! You of all people should not be accusing others of having problems as regards their mental capabilities. I believe the Gallente have a saying about stones in glass houses, no?

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family