Player Features and Ideas Discussion

***Before I start I want to say Tier 2 Battlecruisers are the Hurricane, Drake, Myrmidon and Harbinger I suggested it to someone and they said they alread Existed Command Ships they are Tier 1 T2.***

Come on how awesome would Tier 2 T2 battlecruisers be if CCP did them right like your drake **** THAT NOW YOU HAVE A T2 version with decent DPS and a better tank.

the biggest reason though for making Tier 2 T2 Battlecruisers from my point of view at any rate would be a T2 Hurricane variant. Yes the Sleipnir is a great solo PVP and also pretty damn good in a fleet with logi, but come on guys it looks like crap. the hurricane already looks awesome and is a pretty damn good disposable ganking ship with like 700 dps and small NOS/Nueting ability. Now imagine a T2 hurricane with double or triple the neuting ability and a half decent tank and the same 700+ dps "with perfect skills" and the ability to shield speed tank it still but better "with perfect skills" that would be frigging awesome. it would also need a little more power grid so you could maybe fit 2 mediums or even 2 heavy's.

Also i think you should give the others abilities like nueting etc not way overpower but just enough to give them an edge because doubling the hurriance's nueting ability would wouldn't be over powered.

say 5% to nuet cap usage and 5% to armor resistances, say it was as a joint effort with gallente as why it gets the 5% to armor and the nuet was after many years of work to gain an advantage over the amarrians.

and the T2 Tier 2 gallente ship would have something made by the minmtar that would help them agaisnt caldari same for Amarr and Caldair T2 Tier 2 ships

PS: also someone said they would should fly differently, well a hurricane with a semi decent neuting and better armor tanking would fly differently, with a huricane your trying to do as much damage as possible before you blow up with this idea you would theoretically be able to stay around for longer because you will be neuting your target enough to take less damage or sort your enemy from repping / boosting as much.

dude did you really read the hole post a hurricane 25% boost to armor resistance which would give you around 100k EHP and a fair nueting abiltie which could enable you to survive most ships that rely on cap

I, too, want horribly overpowered, unbalanced solopwnboats.

Or, simplified, no.

actually i love the hurricane think its awesome and i dont know what the big deal is about drakes I can steam role a drake in my cane but that there arnt many ships that can do great dps and have a NUET WEB POINT ECM bonus basically im saying to make recon ships but with all there roles reversed and weakened effects in Tier 2 battlecuriser hulls without cloak but with more dps and tank and 3-4 times the price

and tbh it wouldn't be overpowered for the price in that respect you could say T3s are overpowered but you have to pay through the teeth for them

Rather than new tech 2 BCs I would prefer they just reskinned half of them to the tier 2 skins (i.e. Nighthawk to be Drake skin, Eos to Myrm skin, Slep to Cane and Abso to Harb)

I do think that's an idea but I don't think would be conducive to immersion

Well, I would say play to the existing strengths of the BCs. But, remove the reduction for warfare links to allow for the use of a Covert Ops cloak. Also, keep the Myrm's predisposition to use drones (but give it a range bonus to hybrids), the Drake's ability to shield tank (but drop two launchers to allow for a Cov Ops Cloak and Covert Cyno). As for the 'cane, keep as is or give the tank a buff at reduction of speed, and give the Harbinger a bit of a Cap buff.

But those are just my suggestions.

From a "theorycrafting" position... I can understand where you're coming from. I too have wet-dreams of a T2 Myrmidon.
But from a "game balance" perspective, "because it'd be cool" is NEVER a good reason to buff, nerf, or introduce new ships or mechanics.

Supercarriers are an excellent example of this. They were buffed almost 2 years ago "because it'd be cool" and they came to almost utterly dominate 0.0 warfare (i.e. basically if you didn't have more Supercarriers than the enemy, you'd lose).



Please read what your wrote there. Now compare those stats to a battleship.

What you have effectively created is a "battleship" that is smaller and has better mobility (and a better tank if you account for the relatively smaller sig radius of BCs to BSs).

Btw... aren't neuts and energy warfare an Amarrian/Amarrian-related thing?



The DPS and speed that a Proteus is capable of is somewhat anemic when it has that much EHP. It's also a T3... not a T1 or a T2 ship... it carries SP penalties on top of large ISK loss when destroyed.

Generally, ship current balance seems to be boiled down to being forced to choose between 2 of 4 aspects (or balance between 3 or all 4):

- speed/mobility
- DPS
- Tank
- Ewar

Even T2 ships have this limitation (hell, they sometimes have greater "limitations" in exchange for having higher "specialization").



Or the "perma-running" neuts you have your T2 Hurricane would eventually cap out the Proteus, making the guns, prop-mod, and warp scrambler stop functioning.
Now if said Proteus has a cap booster loaded... well... that might allow to continue running it's guns and maybe its scram... but definitely not it's prop-mod. The T2 Hurricane would use its superior base speed and agility this to go outside of blaster range (because remember, the Proteus sacrificed a web for a cap booster and has lower mobility due to its bulky armor tank). and kite until the Proteus it's dead.

A Drake with an even better tank AND more dps?!?!
TAKE MY MONEY!!!!
Oh wait, there's some balance issues with this . . .

The idea is good, yes. But there are some big problems.
T2 Drake. Why would you ever want a t2 drake? i mean, ya, its cool, have more dps and better tank, like the nighthawlk. But id basically be like a cheaper rattlesnake.

T2 cane. Well, that would be sorta like a slip, or a clyamore. But those are active tank, and a t2 cane would be buffer. Thats a good balance. Either go active or go buffer. That is a good idea.

T2 Myrm. That would be cool. Asarte and Eos are active tank ships. Yet most people buffer fit them. Plus the Eos is nurffed. No more 5 ogres II's :( If the t2 myrm could fit dual LAR or even triple LAR, that would be a tad overpowered, but its basically the same idea as a hyperion, and the hyp would be cheaper than a t2 myrm. So that is the problem with that.

T2 Harb. Amarr is extreme with buffer tanking. So a t2 harb would kinda be pointless.

I like the idea stated before with changing the skin of the Eos, Abso, Claymore, nighthawk. The thing is, they would need to be a bit more balanced. As i said b4, the gallente ships are active tanked. One should be buffer, just like the claymore and the slip. One should be buffer. same with nighthawk. Abso with harb skin would be epic. So i guess the point is just changing the bonuses of some command ships, and changing the skins of some of them. A whole new set of t2 battlecruisers would not be too good. There are certainly things that can be improved, but no more t2 battlecruisers.