Missions & Complexes

Doesn't Everyone? Just get a talos, blasters & puts some t2 drones on it, Everything Dies.

Naga Fit
Blasters x8
Rat specific hardeners x2
LSE x2
Mag stabs x2
TE x2
DC2

rigs
purgers x2
shield therm resist

5 T2 Hobgoblins

@5's
888 DPS
152 Regen
52k ehp

Release drones after the frigs target you. Not before.

I won't disagree with that and my suggestion bypasses the need to 'balance' those modules groups for Fleet ops (blob -vs- blob) because ships rarely last longer than a single cycle from any ship's ECM/TD/Damp, that is ships that aren't already immune to Ewar to begin with. Therefore an added DR for most Fleet warfare would never kick in since the ships would be dead before a second cycle. Fleets usually fit VERY differently than small gangs and absolutely differently than solo/duo PvP. ECCM, remote ECCM, Logi, etc are the name of the game in Fleet battles. More to point it's who's gonna melt for 3-4 seconds first, move onto the next target, etc.

Firstly I am an Ewar pilot, the Falcon is my primary ship for said purpose and even I agree that ECM/TD/Damps need looking into and adding DR to those module groups wouldn't hurt anything, if it was done right like a slowly increasing chance to fail, or shortening cycle time, etc. The OP made a mistake by ratting in a ship nearly incapable of dealing with small ships, fine. But he isn't wrong that being perma jammed by an NPC or for that matter a single player vessel is a bit much. Yes, I know there is no such thing as perma jammed as eventually a cycle will fail, but come on it's pretty close to perma. TD/Damps NEVER fail and are applied until YOU are jammed/lose target/cap out/die/ship pops.

All EVE is about ship/fit/tactic/situation working or not
some without problems most of time , some not always working t best ( but winning )

Did by my self 0,0 belt-ratting in attack bc with short range weapons ( Oracle mwd+shield expander, all dps in low slots, meta 4 guns with t1 multifrequency because i am stingy and dont want to spend money in t2 guns and scorc ) and yes, sh*t can happen, but understanding how to manage a bad situation can save your ship almost Always (even if you are dual webbed eand TDed , juist need a bit of time and pratice )

Anyhow here the best advise look like to be "Don't feed the troll" , lol

Hula

Sure there was no incursion going on in that system at the time?

Its counter fittable and now we even have SP we can apply against it, and unlike energy neutralizers, it doesn't turn all of your modules off, it just turns off your external influence modules. ie people that get neuted by bloods for the first time also often lose a ship because the tank goes down and the ship dies quickly!

ECM itself is a useful counter to reliable use of homogenous ship or racial fleets, because its far more effective when the falcon pilot knows they don't need to rainbow their jammer choices - which helps to an extent with FOTM play - as the more a particular ship becomes FOTM, the more likely the falcon pilot could bring 2 racials, or all racials for it.

As far as guristas themselves go - they jam with a strength 3. 1 gurista has a 14% chance of jamming a non ECCM fitted naga per 30 second cycle. a 6 ship gurista spawn of all jammers have a 60% chance of jamming per cycle, and since 25% of that is double jam you could be jammed out for more than 20 seconds some of the time. and once a jam starts - 60% chance of it being 2 in a row.

My ratting dominix not only has 2x eccm (and the compensation skill), it also has drones, and sufficient ~750 drone dps that it will reliably kill whatever they are left on - so in a 6 spawn, I would have a 3% chance per ship of them jamming me each cycle, and a 17% chance that one of a 6 ship spawn jammed me per cycle. I would almost always (only about a 1%) chance of not seeing it - have a full 10 seconds between jams, and it being dominix means that 99% of the time, i would subsequently lock and set the drones on a priority target after a jam. ie the odds are I would kill 1 frigate in the initial lock, and then 1 frigate ~30 seconds later, even if I got jammed, and obviously I'd only have a 17% chance of a successful jam being followed by another one anyway. I would not even need to set my drones to aggressive to rat!

If you are a caldari pilot, dealing with ECM from rats is just as easy - since caldari have a specific missile for it. All other BCs, other than attack BCs, have sufficient drone bays, and can field a set of lights set to aggressive, which will (drone bugs aside), naturally prioritise frigates. ie you actually managed to choose a ship really poorly, and then combine that with use the ship really poorly.

You should thank the NPCs for explaining the weaknesses of the naga in a very clear way to you.

I would advice a diferent ship or ratting, yes it can be done in attack battlecruiser, where they build for it not realy.

Combat Battle cruiser will be much more help. it's paved ground but a Drake with HM will do great, some auto targeting missiles or when you get jamed.

as for the gravimatic compensation skill, it helps a little but it's no garanty, I've that skill to 4 and it gives my Tengu over 40 somthing strenght and I still have times that I'm out of the running for a few minutes.

The fact that you can't see what your doing wrong is exactly the problem.

A better ship would have perma-tanked a BELT RAT spawn. Missiles instead of guns would have given you the FoF option.

But of course, being a know it all (that lost a ship to BELT RATS, the EVE version of kindergarten), go ahead and keep thinking this way, it's your isk you're throwing out the window.




And yet 10s of thousands of other players have found ways to deal with something you lost a ship to.

THIS IS WHY you belt rat with the proper ship. In Guristas space that means a ship with drones or that can use FoF missles.

You have to be one of the most clueless noobs we've ever seen, and that's saying something for the Missions and Complexes forum lol




Yes it does. If you knew what you were doing you would have survived like 99.99999% of people who do the same Easy pve activity lol. With drones or FoF missles or over-heated ECCM you could have made it out.

But like sooooo many gamers, you think it's the games fault you screwed up. It's not the game. YOU failed.



Serious question. How old are you? i'd feel bad if you were some teenaged kid, but damn there has to be some explanation for so much fail.

You can consider it trolling if that makes you feel better, but I'm telling you the truth. The problem you had isn't jams and scrams, it's your ignorance of the game coupled with your inability to take personal responsibility.

You lost a ship in one of the dumbest ways possible. You can man up and realize this loss came from how you think, or you can hide behind your pride, learn for better players (liek me, i've NEVER lost a ship to a BELT RAT lol, not a special thing since very few people do) and become a better player yourself.

I understand the advice and appreciate it. But I've already tried other ships and the only thing that cuts it, at least with my current skills, is an attack battlecruiser. So I bought another one.

Not diss'ing your advice or saying you're wrong - you're probably right. I'm just in a specific situation where I've tried many other options and found only one that works for me at this juncture.



I have a drake (first ship I tried ratting these guristas with) - it couldn't cut the mustard. That's probably more to do with my skills than the drake, I dunno. But the attack battlecruiser I was using cut through all the rats like melted butter. I earned hundreds of ISK with it [EDIT: hundreds of millions of ISK]. I just ended up running into a situation where I was perma jammed/scrammed/webbed and there was nothing I could do.

Thanks for the advice though.

Even more come summer.

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