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Dev Blog: WantToTrade: Tags for Security Status

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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2013-05-02 14:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Sometimes you just need to do something that's a little bit outside the law. Blow up a freighter, pod someone in low sec, or other nefarious activities that CONCORD frowns upon. Until now, the only way to get back in the good graces of the law was to kill belt rats for hours on end, but in Odyssey, we are changing all that.

In his new dev blog, CCP Masterplan discusses trading in tags for security status and how to use slightly underhanded CONCORD agents to get back on the right side of the law.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-02 14:15:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
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Edit: Looks like low sec will become much more fun.Big smile

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CCP Masterplan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2013-05-02 14:16:59 UTC
Thanks to everyone who attended my presentation at Fanfest. For everyone who missed it, this blog covers most of the same material. Please leave your comments below

"This one time, on patch day..."

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#4 - 2013-05-02 14:19:35 UTC
Now only if you could get above 5.0... more than once.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-05-02 14:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: EvilweaselSA
"They will be more common than office/faction spawns, but less common than the regular pirate NPCs that you see in the belts."

argh "it is somewhere between common as dirt and rare as a blue moon" argh argh argh

how am i supposed to plan my reign of terror with so little information
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#6 - 2013-05-02 14:26:26 UTC
Nice stuff is nice. Blink

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Hoarr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-05-02 14:30:28 UTC
How long do we think it will be before people who grinded CONCORD missions will flip their ****?
Vladimir Tinakin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-05-02 14:31:56 UTC
When you say that sec status will be on a -10 -> +10 scale, will this mean the 5.0 security cap is lifted?
Zircon Dasher
#9 - 2013-05-02 14:36:57 UTC
So to provide an alternate method of bringing sec status up you are introducing tags and then nerfing the ability to raise sec status the old way? I could get more than 3 tics in the pipeline every 15 min with the previous system so, in effect, actually ratting sec up will now be slower unless you increase the amount of sec gained with each kill fairly significantly. Was the idea that by making ratting up sec even more painful you will ensure that people will actually buy the tags or are all the revisions to sec gain going positive?

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Tasha Saisima
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-05-02 14:38:29 UTC
Whats the difference between Concord standings and Security Standings?

Also, NPC 0.0 space needs some love!
Morrow Disca
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#11 - 2013-05-02 14:42:52 UTC
Tasha Saisima wrote:
Whats the difference between Concord standings and Security Standings?

Also, NPC 0.0 space needs some love!


Afaik Concord is a faction in its own right and offers missions, ergo you'd need standings to work for them on those missions. Sec status is self explanatory.
Sheena Tzash
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-02 14:43:33 UTC
Its a great sounding idea but I wanna ask a few more questions:

1) With the next expansion you've said that ore belts are getting a buff; but with the addtion of these new NPCs to those sites it will obviously increase the chance of visitors to those belts. What is the incentive now for miners to mine in these belts now that they are going to soon become mini PvP play grounds for people to 'rat4tags'

2) Will we have some ability to see an audit of a players sec status? I can see some people abusing this system by going -10, ratting back to zero, joining a nooby corp, puts on the 'innocent look' to get into the corp and then runs off, causes trouble and gets the nooby corp war deced and quickly does a road runner impression from the nooby corp and leaves them to face the music.

Rince & repeat for tears.
Vladimir Tinakin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-05-02 14:49:42 UTC
Sheena Tzash wrote:
Its a great sounding idea but I wanna ask a few more questions:


2) Will we have some ability to see an audit of a players sec status? I can see some people abusing this system by going -10, ratting back to zero, joining a nooby corp, puts on the 'innocent look' to get into the corp and then runs off, causes trouble and gets the nooby corp war deced and quickly does a road runner impression from the nooby corp and leaves them to face the music.

Rince & repeat for tears.


You don't lose sec status for killing corpmates. So unless they were on a ganking binge and decided to switch things up with a corp infiltration, this doesn't apply.

Also, if the CEO didn't just mash "accept" on every pilot with a pulse and actually checked killboards and employment history, that might help too! But I understand, :effort: and all that.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2013-05-02 14:50:35 UTC
Sheena Tzash wrote:
2) Will we have some ability to see an audit of a players sec status? I can see some people abusing this system by going -10, ratting back to zero, joining a nooby corp, puts on the 'innocent look' to get into the corp and then runs off, causes trouble and gets the nooby corp war deced and quickly does a road runner impression from the nooby corp and leaves them to face the music.

Rince & repeat for tears.


...which sounds totally awesome. WHY DO YOU HATE FUN? Twisted

The bottom line is, killboards still tell the story, and are an even more effective audit method than simply looking at security status. If someone goes around awoxing constantly, as long as the victims are posting their losses, it'll be obvious to other recruiters. I strongly believe that as long as they criminal is willing to pay the cost to do this repeatedly, and recruiters are lazy enough not to investigate killboard histories, than corps should suffer the consequences. This is a free-form capitalist dystopian universe, paying off the cops just feels right and this feature is long overdue.

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#15 - 2013-05-02 14:50:44 UTC
Hah! Who needs lowsec CSM representation when we have CCP Masterplan? Love the change.

One thing though, I thought security status could only go up to +5, but the devblog mentions -10 to +10. Typo, troll, or for reals?

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Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-05-02 14:51:19 UTC
It would be useful to have some more information regarding the design goals for this feature. Specifically, how much do you think it should cost to achieve certain sec status increases, e.g. -10.0 to -2.0, -5.0 to -2.0, and -2.0 to 0.0, assuming that you're buying the tags from the market? Second, what sort of income do you want people who go hunting for these tags to be making?
Zyrbalax III
Goldcrest Enterprises
#17 - 2013-05-02 14:59:17 UTC
So... where's going to be the best place to sell these tags? Jita or another high-sec trade hub (which might be problematic for the people most likely to want to purchase them)? Or at the lowsec stations where you can trade them in?

As someone who enjoys the odd spot of lowsec ratting, I'm looking forward to this feature!
Dav Varan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-05-02 14:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dav Varan
Like

But why do you make things so contrived ?
You guys have a habit of making the game more complicated than it needs to be for no reason.

The banding idea is pointless and unneccesary.
More difficult rats should drop better tags that raise sec by a bigger degree is simply and all that was needed.

New players who come to the game after this are also gonna be confused as f.
Some rat tags from bs drops do nothing and are worth dirt while "transporter" ship tags are lovelly wanted and expensive.

All pirate tags should be tradable for sec.
Old tags at a reduced rate for the first 6 months to clear the backlog of existing tags.

Remove the old sec status raise completelly and remove tag drops from null sec rats.
You can't lose sec in null you should not be able to raise it there either.

Giving people sec increases for what they do to get cash anyway means the sec hit for naughtyness is a rather non penalty.
Make them come to low sec and do community service to raise there sec up away from there big blue safety nets if they wan't to burn Jita etc. Lol
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#19 - 2013-05-02 15:01:42 UTC
LP trading after sec trading please

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2013-05-02 15:02:05 UTC
Zyrbalax III wrote:
So... where's going to be the best place to sell these tags? Jita or another high-sec trade hub (which might be problematic for the people most likely to want to purchase them)? Or at the lowsec stations where you can trade them in?

As someone who enjoys the odd spot of lowsec ratting, I'm looking forward to this feature!


I'll just say there's a very good reason I sell all my illegal boosters in lowsec, not Jita. And its not because I give a crap about customer convenience. Twisted

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