EVE New Citizens Q&A

I know that can baiting is not allowed in noob systems, but since i started this toon i´ve noticed duel baiting and making oneself flashy orange to get easy kills is this allowed in noob mission hub systems.

Are the Noob starter mission systems policed by GM´s or do they rely on Rookie chat?

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If you see this behauvior...report the person under an harrasment petition and your friendly CCP GM will likely take action against the offender.

Afaik this is the list of systems where ccp actively discourage standard eve behaviours.

Petition is probably the best method of dealing with this, you won't get an 'action taken' reply just like you don't for reporting suspected botters/rmt'ers

Well, what if you would catch a yellow flag for lulz, sit on a station with a battleship that has good reps and allow yourself to be attacked, without actually causing (fatal) harm to players? I mean... it's that everbody is too busy collecting coins to do lulzy stuff like that but the sandbox should allow for it. Instead of letting CCP hold the newbies hands we might try some policing of your own a little, and gank the twerps that bait easy kills to pad their boards. It's us that's the problem, not the mechanic itself.

It's CCP's standing policy, to stop new players from ragequitting 20 minutes into the tutorials. It helps them make money and improves player retention. Stop whining because you're not allowed to be a **** in 20 out of 8000 systems.

I don't think this is (or should be) against the rules.

Any sort of activity that deliberately targets new players in the rookie systems is actively discouraged and against the rules. The moment they are out of those systems you are good to scam, kill and generally treat them like the rest of Eve's players. What is so bad about that?

It's all to do with new player retention, as that is one of the things that Eve has major issues with.

Yeah, I know the rules the way they were but can we really say the rules aren't 100% clear these days in addition to duels and the crimewatch flags being their new hotness? You're not trying to trick them the rules are very easy to understand these days.

Trust me I couldn't care less about killmails or padding a board with a mess of velator ganks....I'm really just curious if the old rules for can flipping and suicide ganks apply to flags and duels. I wouldn't think they would. What if a rookie system is on my route while suspect baiting around town and I get shot giving me a LE flag for a newb?...I'm supposed to let those guys slide or risk getting yelled at by a GM? Why?

Even at the station if some dirty bird wanted to sit there with a suspect flag on what's the harm? It's better to learn about flags early than waiting until they're in the first BC they can't afford to loose. On the dueling note, what if some of these new players join specifically for pvp? You don't think they would want and expect to see pvp opportunities everywhere? Not every noob cares about loosing and comes in expecting it.

I'd go out on a limb and say killing newbs in rookie systems using the crimewatch mechanics is probably a case by case basis these days because the choice to fight is nice and clear?

Bourynes has about 4-5? gates and is on a major mission hub route as well as part of a cattle chute to dodixie which is a decent sized trade hub.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Sinq_Laison/Bourynes

And how is crimewatch not clear? You are shooting at someone not taking from a can marked "free ammo". Why should they have to seek out pvp? C'mon, you really think people who will shoot at a player ship are being tricked into fighting? Tricking them into taking a suspect flag or something I could see but shooting a suspect ship and getting assploded? Nah, that's got to be fair game anywhere. Maybe not the dead ends but even there I would like to hear it from a GM that crimewatch isn't clear enough for new players to understand even after all the work they did to make these options easy and available.

Yep, the first day I played I undocked and saw a yellow thing in space that said something like "free stuff for noobs". I clicked on it and read that it was a crime against someone's corporation to take that stuff....then I looked around the station. Low and behold there was something called a Jaguar just sitting over where the ships where comming out. I didn't take what was in that can but I sure as hell did figure out what a Jaguar was and how to kill it. That little test was a day or two later in Egghelende where I got rocked but lasted more than 3 seconds which is all I was going for. I went to the newb system to look for that guy before I left for low sec but alas he wasn't there to face the wrath of my craptacular Tristen. I have to say I would have rather fought the jag than getting gangbanged in a belt.

I wouldn't bother a GM about what I do. If it's rule breaking then it's a good rule to be broken if done for the right reasons. If I send out 30 duel requests to different people I can clearly see are new and running those god awful tutorials as I pass through and a few wowtards get mad because they no likey pvp screw 'um. I want the 2 people that open a convo and want to do it but don't understand how to fit and fight yet. (Had to add yes I would give them some basic help then let them apply it all the way to their grave to see how they took a loss...then probably either laugh at their tears or reimburse the ship with some more adivce.)

You're not one to protect people when the rules are clear....you gettin soft or somethin? This isn't about tricking and can baiting it's about shooting suspects and duels (they really are very clear with the duel pop-up it was done well and anyone who thinks they can shoot someone without being shot back is just a liar that's common sense).


...and no rookie chat for me. *Snip.* Newbie bashing and personal attacks are not allowed.